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On March 19 2015 00:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
Because kids are expensive just like cars and if you can't afford the kids you have already without the government funding them then you certainly can't afford more. They are still "allowed" to have kids, just not on the government's dime.
Except that just leads to the kids have more terrible lives without any control. Government subsidies are not in place to reward people for having children while poor. And the abuse rate of these sorts of subsidies are very low. People always pull out their local example of the person abusing the system, but they are the exception, not the rule.
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On March 19 2015 00:52 Furikawari wrote:It doesnt hold in France. And last time I checked, unemployment was raising 
France is barely managing to maintain a 2.0 birthrate, with the native french population being steadily below that mark as well, most of the growth is coming from people migrating from France's old colonies.
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On March 19 2015 00:54 Furikawari wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 00:53 goody153 wrote:My family tries to avail on everything we get from the government like SSS, redcross etc etc. and never heard of this tbh. Well we do have city hall here in davao you can usually just lineup and ask for wheelchairs or something that you badly need could not afford to the office of the mayor. There's that. And during election time politicians usually have this giveaways for like kilos of rice/money etc you don't have to vote for them really if you don't want but the giveaways are sick. Democracy at it's finest...
I mean there a lot of politicians here who will pay you in exchanged for votes.
If you don't like them sitting on the throne then you don't vote for them but you might as well accept whatever they give cause it helps you.
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On March 19 2015 00:55 Gosi wrote:
who summoned me
LORD GOSI
SAVE US WE ARETALKING ABOUT DEPRESSING SHIT
giff us neat topic
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On March 19 2015 00:54 Furikawari wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 00:53 goody153 wrote:My family tries to avail on everything we get from the government like SSS, redcross etc etc. and never heard of this tbh. Well we do have city hall here in davao you can usually just lineup and ask for wheelchairs or something that you badly need could not afford to the office of the mayor. There's that. And during election time politicians usually have this giveaways for like kilos of rice/money etc you don't have to vote for them really if you don't want but the giveaways are sick. Democracy at it's finest...
Hey, i'd rather have them give away stuff to standard people that to ahem, donators.
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On March 19 2015 00:56 dismiss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 00:52 Furikawari wrote:It doesnt hold in France. And last time I checked, unemployment was raising France is barely managing to maintain a 2.0 birthrate, with the native french population being steadily below that mark as well, most of the growth is coming from people migrating from France's old colonies.
And I'm fine with that.
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And meanwhile, Sing is bullshitting a russian on stream "Da, da da".
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sing is known for his frequent bullshitting of various languages
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SoCal8933 Posts
On March 19 2015 00:52 dismiss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 00:49 BluemoonSC wrote:
having kids when you're having financial difficulties is terrible for the kids. there are a ton of sociological factors going on here that can fuck with them. So you'd rather they have even less money instead of a well thought out security system enabling them to be succesful later on in life?
I'd rather you not have kids and learn to support yourself before dragging a child into the world where you're suffering and putting them through hell.
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On March 19 2015 01:20 BluemoonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 00:52 dismiss wrote:On March 19 2015 00:49 BluemoonSC wrote:
having kids when you're having financial difficulties is terrible for the kids. there are a ton of sociological factors going on here that can fuck with them. So you'd rather they have even less money instead of a well thought out security system enabling them to be succesful later on in life? I'd rather you not have kids and learn to support yourself before dragging a child into the world where you're suffering and putting them through hell.
The problem is there is no good way to prevent that. You can't stop people from having kids without entering the world of truly questionable shit.
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On March 19 2015 01:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 01:20 BluemoonSC wrote:On March 19 2015 00:52 dismiss wrote:On March 19 2015 00:49 BluemoonSC wrote:
having kids when you're having financial difficulties is terrible for the kids. there are a ton of sociological factors going on here that can fuck with them. So you'd rather they have even less money instead of a well thought out security system enabling them to be succesful later on in life? I'd rather you not have kids and learn to support yourself before dragging a child into the world where you're suffering and putting them through hell. The problem is there is no good way to prevent that. You can't stop people from having kids without entering the world of truly questionable shit.
eugenics is fine as long as you don't believe in human rights and don't mind determinations of childbearing invalidity based on questionable metrics
i mean im totally amoral and apathetic so lets go for it, society!!
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On March 19 2015 01:26 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 01:23 Plansix wrote:On March 19 2015 01:20 BluemoonSC wrote:On March 19 2015 00:52 dismiss wrote:On March 19 2015 00:49 BluemoonSC wrote:
having kids when you're having financial difficulties is terrible for the kids. there are a ton of sociological factors going on here that can fuck with them. So you'd rather they have even less money instead of a well thought out security system enabling them to be succesful later on in life? I'd rather you not have kids and learn to support yourself before dragging a child into the world where you're suffering and putting them through hell. The problem is there is no good way to prevent that. You can't stop people from having kids without entering the world of truly questionable shit. eugenics is fine as long as you don't believe in human rights and don't mind determinations of childbearing invalidity based on questionable metrics i mean im totally amoral and apathetic so lets go for it, society!!
its not eugenics that im suggesting though.
its this thing called responsibility.
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On March 19 2015 01:31 BluemoonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 01:26 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On March 19 2015 01:23 Plansix wrote:On March 19 2015 01:20 BluemoonSC wrote:On March 19 2015 00:52 dismiss wrote:On March 19 2015 00:49 BluemoonSC wrote:
having kids when you're having financial difficulties is terrible for the kids. there are a ton of sociological factors going on here that can fuck with them. So you'd rather they have even less money instead of a well thought out security system enabling them to be succesful later on in life? I'd rather you not have kids and learn to support yourself before dragging a child into the world where you're suffering and putting them through hell. The problem is there is no good way to prevent that. You can't stop people from having kids without entering the world of truly questionable shit. eugenics is fine as long as you don't believe in human rights and don't mind determinations of childbearing invalidity based on questionable metrics i mean im totally amoral and apathetic so lets go for it, society!! its not eugenics that im suggesting though. its this thing called responsibility.
Yeah, responsibility and humanity isn't exactly the best pair.
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On March 19 2015 01:31 BluemoonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 01:26 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On March 19 2015 01:23 Plansix wrote:On March 19 2015 01:20 BluemoonSC wrote:On March 19 2015 00:52 dismiss wrote:On March 19 2015 00:49 BluemoonSC wrote:
having kids when you're having financial difficulties is terrible for the kids. there are a ton of sociological factors going on here that can fuck with them. So you'd rather they have even less money instead of a well thought out security system enabling them to be succesful later on in life? I'd rather you not have kids and learn to support yourself before dragging a child into the world where you're suffering and putting them through hell. The problem is there is no good way to prevent that. You can't stop people from having kids without entering the world of truly questionable shit. eugenics is fine as long as you don't believe in human rights and don't mind determinations of childbearing invalidity based on questionable metrics i mean im totally amoral and apathetic so lets go for it, society!! its not eugenics that im suggesting though. its this thing called responsibility.
Which is cool in practice, but you can't force it on people. You can't prevent people from having kids without totally going into the amoral world of "And now we force you to not have that baby".
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Its true that the awkward part of all this is the poor family that totally can't afford another car but buy it anyways are just hurting themselves, whereas the poor family that totally can't afford another kid but have it anyway have just spawned another state-responsibility lol.
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yea responsibility is always out there for people to understand if they wanna, but it's hard to make people wanna
i imagine a negative incentive like "we'll take away your welfare money if you have too many kids," while having some efficacy, isn't especially effective for most people too short sighted to manage their personal finance responsibly in the first place
yea state responsibilties are a bummer; we should start more charitable churches n similar low-level social groups to take on poor kids n stuff. not my prollem though i'm an antisocial being of hate
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