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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 12 2015 15:42 GMT
#16281
On March 13 2015 00:40 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 00:39 Erasme wrote:
On March 13 2015 00:00 Plansix wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:55 Gosi wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:53 Comeh wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:47 goody153 wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:45 teddyoojo wrote:
well the point is teams are finalized for ti5 just now so thats why u talk about it now

yeah too risky to make reshuffles later

On March 12 2015 23:42 Comeh wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:41 goody153 wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:40 Gosi wrote:
The new LGD lineup is fockin scary with Maybe mid and xiao8 captain

Wasn't maybe the arteezy of china ? i mean hyped and new

Maybe is really really good. Like LGD is absurd - Sylar is one of the two best carries in the world, MMY is IMO either the best or second best support in the world, Maybe is really good, Xiao8 is one of the best captains, and a return of Yao to the offlane perhaps [Magnus :O]? Sounds good.

actually i don't believe in yao i think he's the weakest of the team

Agreed - but hes much better in the offlane role than mid.
On March 12 2015 23:50 Gosi wrote:
G lost mid to erasme

When? Was he drunk?
He probably was drunk.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1071439927

G was necro

That TB and necro must be so tired carrying those heavy has teammates, my god. And the Nyx is sort of my hero for his silly ass build.

tb was the worst player in the game

Its tough to tell just from the gold charts, since that hero almost always gets farm. That poor necro.

look at hero damage/tower damage
hes literally comeh
just dying, just farming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
March 12 2015 15:43 GMT
#16282
On March 12 2015 23:54 teddyoojo wrote:
i play dota with you gosi but not now only later at night i party q only when i should be sleeping so ask me again when its dark outside the we can play lets see ill post in this thread then cya gosi have fun celebrating your brother he deserves it


punctuation ftw
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 12 2015 15:47 GMT
#16283
On March 13 2015 00:42 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 00:40 Plansix wrote:
On March 13 2015 00:39 Erasme wrote:
On March 13 2015 00:00 Plansix wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:55 Gosi wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:53 Comeh wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:47 goody153 wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:45 teddyoojo wrote:
well the point is teams are finalized for ti5 just now so thats why u talk about it now

yeah too risky to make reshuffles later

On March 12 2015 23:42 Comeh wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:41 goody153 wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:40 Gosi wrote:
The new LGD lineup is fockin scary with Maybe mid and xiao8 captain

Wasn't maybe the arteezy of china ? i mean hyped and new

Maybe is really really good. Like LGD is absurd - Sylar is one of the two best carries in the world, MMY is IMO either the best or second best support in the world, Maybe is really good, Xiao8 is one of the best captains, and a return of Yao to the offlane perhaps [Magnus :O]? Sounds good.

actually i don't believe in yao i think he's the weakest of the team

Agreed - but hes much better in the offlane role than mid.
On March 12 2015 23:50 Gosi wrote:
G lost mid to erasme

When? Was he drunk?
He probably was drunk.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1071439927

G was necro

That TB and necro must be so tired carrying those heavy has teammates, my god. And the Nyx is sort of my hero for his silly ass build.

tb was the worst player in the game

Its tough to tell just from the gold charts, since that hero almost always gets farm. That poor necro.

look at hero damage/tower damage
hes literally comeh
just dying, just farming

ya i was like barely paying attention that game - had like 300 ping. WOOOOOOOOOOOOO neflix
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 12 2015 16:00 GMT
#16284
On March 13 2015 00:43 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 23:54 teddyoojo wrote:
i play dota with you gosi but not now only later at night i party q only when i should be sleeping so ask me again when its dark outside the we can play lets see ill post in this thread then cya gosi have fun celebrating your brother he deserves it


punctuation ftw

On the note of playing dota, I will be around tonight for some games after like 7:00 EST if people want to stack and be terrible.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
March 12 2015 16:15 GMT
#16285
I might be around, but I am not sure if we will be doing ranked. if so, you'd be #4 so if we had a 5th that would be neat.

we're normally able to roll face while leveling our ranked unless one of my friends randoms in which case we are likely fucked :D
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44284 Posts
March 12 2015 16:19 GMT
#16286
All the Hao puns on the VG acquires Hao thread is glorious

meanwhile

[image loading]

i don't follow CS:GO but i tune in randomly on random tournaments .. but 280k viewers holy crap .. Is this their own version of The International ? (and since i don't follow sc2 anymore is it also their own version of DAC? or just a normal tournament)
this is a quote
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
March 12 2015 16:24 GMT
#16287
On March 12 2015 23:31 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 23:25 Comeh wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:22 Acritter wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:19 Comeh wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:18 Plansix wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:14 goody153 wrote:
So guys i have this feeling that TI5 will be TI4 all over again.. All western teams gonna get rekt by China.

Did you watched DAC? Because thats not what happened in any way. China has just as many terrible teams as NA. NA just has a few less tier 1 teams.

Most of the Chinese teams had less practice, and new a huge reshuffle was coming so were less inclined to perform.

Secret was brand new, and EG with Sumail was very new.

Fair enough - but they did bootcamp pretty hard and new their rosters would be stable (EG less so I suppose). Chinese teams pre CNY are not even worth talking about. TI5 should be another year of Chinese dominance imo. Secret probalby has the best shot, EG a lesser one IMO (unless ppd massively outdrafts chinese teams still - who knows china has been dumb before)

People always overrate China. Remember before TI3, when people were convinced China was going to just destroy everything? Even after the embarrassment of G-1?

It's not some mystical land of perfect doto. It's just another region, and the West happens to have some very strong teams right now.

I also think you're massively overrating Secret. They stand a solid chance of just getting fucked by their one-dimensional drafting. Puppey might get his act together, but if he doesn't, they're going to sweep groups and get broken in bracket. EG is far more stable in comparison.


Fucking hated the articles that were written after iG won TI2. It was almost racist how they were praised as some mystical/genius/perfect team simply because they were chinese. Then they played one match and lost and kept on losing. Rofl, so mystical.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 12 2015 16:28 GMT
#16288
On March 13 2015 01:19 goody153 wrote:
All the Hao puns on the VG acquires Hao thread is glorious

meanwhile

[image loading]

i don't follow CS:GO but i tune in randomly on random tournaments .. but 280k viewers holy crap .. Is this their own version of The International ? (and since i don't follow sc2 anymore is it also their own version of DAC? or just a normal tournament)

its more DAC tier but yes, valve throws 1/4mil at the scene a couple of times a year and this is one of those times.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 12 2015 16:30 GMT
#16289
the huge amount of small/medium tournaments held after the big boom (TI2) set up a great environment for western teams to practice and become better, while in china the scene is basically more or less the same since 2012, comp scene wise eastern scene is overall moderately developed since dota1 but western comp scene enjoys alot more of steady and stable development since TI(2).

The funniest thing of the whole 'west vs east' happened in TI1, who the fuck would bet navi won it back then rofl.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
March 12 2015 16:31 GMT
#16290
i mean dac finals almost had 100k viewers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
March 12 2015 16:32 GMT
#16291
On March 13 2015 01:24 Animzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 23:31 Acritter wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:25 Comeh wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:22 Acritter wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:19 Comeh wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:18 Plansix wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:14 goody153 wrote:
So guys i have this feeling that TI5 will be TI4 all over again.. All western teams gonna get rekt by China.

Did you watched DAC? Because thats not what happened in any way. China has just as many terrible teams as NA. NA just has a few less tier 1 teams.

Most of the Chinese teams had less practice, and new a huge reshuffle was coming so were less inclined to perform.

Secret was brand new, and EG with Sumail was very new.

Fair enough - but they did bootcamp pretty hard and new their rosters would be stable (EG less so I suppose). Chinese teams pre CNY are not even worth talking about. TI5 should be another year of Chinese dominance imo. Secret probalby has the best shot, EG a lesser one IMO (unless ppd massively outdrafts chinese teams still - who knows china has been dumb before)

People always overrate China. Remember before TI3, when people were convinced China was going to just destroy everything? Even after the embarrassment of G-1?

It's not some mystical land of perfect doto. It's just another region, and the West happens to have some very strong teams right now.

I also think you're massively overrating Secret. They stand a solid chance of just getting fucked by their one-dimensional drafting. Puppey might get his act together, but if he doesn't, they're going to sweep groups and get broken in bracket. EG is far more stable in comparison.


Fucking hated the articles that were written after iG won TI2. It was almost racist how they were praised as some mystical/genius/perfect team simply because they were chinese. Then they played one match and lost and kept on losing. Rofl, so mystical.

The trend towards exoticism is just as deep as the trend towards tribalism. Fact of the matter is, both regions have potentially strong teams right now, and based on player synergy, metagame developments, the probable final patch before TI5, and who's feeling especially on their game on any given day, the results could be all fucking over the place.

I mean, hell, I think Team Tinker might even finish in the money.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 12 2015 16:34 GMT
#16292
On March 13 2015 01:31 teddyoojo wrote:
i mean dac finals almost had 100k viewers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And were in the middle of the night for most folks in the US.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 16:35:07
March 12 2015 16:34 GMT
#16293
On March 13 2015 01:31 teddyoojo wrote:
i mean dac finals almost had 100k viewers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

on english streams yes, where every person in the civilized world that speaks english is asleep during dac (aus/nz =/= civilized)

u'll find that chinese streams had a few more viewers
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
March 12 2015 16:34 GMT
#16294
On March 13 2015 01:31 teddyoojo wrote:
i mean dac finals almost had 100k viewers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To be fair for anyone in the west it was like the worst possible time to host a big final.
Morning for europe on a monday and the middle of the night for the US.

On March 13 2015 01:32 Acritter wrote:
I mean, hell, I think Team Tinker might even finish in the money.

Let's not get crazy.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44284 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 16:36:24
March 12 2015 16:36 GMT
#16295
On March 13 2015 01:31 teddyoojo wrote:
i mean dac finals almost had 100k viewers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i heard it was mureca sleeping hours

also if it was only a live event and didn't have KA LE issues throughout the tournament
this is a quote
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
March 12 2015 16:37 GMT
#16296
english esl one stream already had 200k viewers at 11am
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
March 12 2015 16:37 GMT
#16297
On March 13 2015 01:34 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 01:31 teddyoojo wrote:
i mean dac finals almost had 100k viewers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To be fair for anyone in the west it was like the worst possible time to host a big final.
Morning for europe on a monday and the middle of the night for the US.

Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 01:32 Acritter wrote:
I mean, hell, I think Team Tinker might even finish in the money.

Let's not get crazy.

The players in TT are extremely scrappy and unreliable, barring the universally solid Black^. They're one of the best-situated teams to take games off of far superior players.

Fucking Liquid made it into the money last year, and they had absolutely no right doing that.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
March 12 2015 16:38 GMT
#16298
On March 13 2015 01:19 goody153 wrote:
All the Hao puns on the VG acquires Hao thread is glorious

meanwhile

[image loading]

i don't follow CS:GO but i tune in randomly on random tournaments .. but 280k viewers holy crap .. Is this their own version of The International ? (and since i don't follow sc2 anymore is it also their own version of DAC? or just a normal tournament)

CSGO doesnt have an International, moreso several Majors throughout the year
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44284 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 16:42:57
March 12 2015 16:40 GMT
#16299
On March 13 2015 01:37 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 01:34 Unleashing wrote:
On March 13 2015 01:31 teddyoojo wrote:
i mean dac finals almost had 100k viewers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To be fair for anyone in the west it was like the worst possible time to host a big final.
Morning for europe on a monday and the middle of the night for the US.

On March 13 2015 01:32 Acritter wrote:
I mean, hell, I think Team Tinker might even finish in the money.

Let's not get crazy.

The players in TT are extremely scrappy and unreliable, barring the universally solid Black^. They're one of the best-situated teams to take games off of far superior players.

Fucking Liquid made it into the money last year, and they had absolutely no right doing that.

They didn't make it they got crushed by LGD hard.

On March 13 2015 01:37 teddyoojo wrote:
english esl one stream already had 200k viewers at 11am


well it's 11 am though
this is a quote
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 16:44:55
March 12 2015 16:43 GMT
#16300
On March 13 2015 01:40 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 01:37 Acritter wrote:
On March 13 2015 01:34 Unleashing wrote:
On March 13 2015 01:31 teddyoojo wrote:
i mean dac finals almost had 100k viewers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To be fair for anyone in the west it was like the worst possible time to host a big final.
Morning for europe on a monday and the middle of the night for the US.

On March 13 2015 01:32 Acritter wrote:
I mean, hell, I think Team Tinker might even finish in the money.

Let's not get crazy.

The players in TT are extremely scrappy and unreliable, barring the universally solid Black^. They're one of the best-situated teams to take games off of far superior players.

Fucking Liquid made it into the money last year, and they had absolutely no right doing that.

They didn't make it they got crushed by LGD hard.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/The_International/2014
pls check wiki b4 saying things that r rong

they got $50k

They even placed in the money in TI3. Liquid got cash in each International. Not a ton, but they got it.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
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