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On March 13 2015 01:40 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 01:37 Acritter wrote:On March 13 2015 01:34 Unleashing wrote:On March 13 2015 01:31 teddyoojo wrote:
i mean dac finals almost had 100k viewers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To be fair for anyone in the west it was like the worst possible time to host a big final. Morning for europe on a monday and the middle of the night for the US. On March 13 2015 01:32 Acritter wrote:
I mean, hell, I think Team Tinker might even finish in the money. Let's not get crazy. The players in TT are extremely scrappy and unreliable, barring the universally solid Black^. They're one of the best-situated teams to take games off of far superior players. Fucking Liquid made it into the money last year, and they had absolutely no right doing that. They didn't make it they got crushed by LGD hard. Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 01:37 teddyoojo wrote:
english esl one stream already had 200k viewers at 11am well it's 11 am though
They still made it into the money
It wasn't that hard to do so though
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They got 50k so they did make it into the money, no?
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TL are the 0.5% 
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Only Arrow and Narvi didn't make money, so you had to be really bad.
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On March 13 2015 01:32 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 01:24 Animzor wrote:On March 12 2015 23:31 Acritter wrote:On March 12 2015 23:25 Comeh wrote:On March 12 2015 23:22 Acritter wrote:On March 12 2015 23:19 Comeh wrote:On March 12 2015 23:18 Plansix wrote:On March 12 2015 23:14 goody153 wrote:
So guys i have this feeling that TI5 will be TI4 all over again.. All western teams gonna get rekt by China. Did you watched DAC? Because thats not what happened in any way. China has just as many terrible teams as NA. NA just has a few less tier 1 teams. Most of the Chinese teams had less practice, and new a huge reshuffle was coming so were less inclined to perform. Secret was brand new, and EG with Sumail was very new. Fair enough - but they did bootcamp pretty hard and new their rosters would be stable (EG less so I suppose). Chinese teams pre CNY are not even worth talking about. TI5 should be another year of Chinese dominance imo. Secret probalby has the best shot, EG a lesser one IMO (unless ppd massively outdrafts chinese teams still - who knows china has been dumb before) People always overrate China. Remember before TI3, when people were convinced China was going to just destroy everything? Even after the embarrassment of G-1? It's not some mystical land of perfect doto. It's just another region, and the West happens to have some very strong teams right now. I also think you're massively overrating Secret. They stand a solid chance of just getting fucked by their one-dimensional drafting. Puppey might get his act together, but if he doesn't, they're going to sweep groups and get broken in bracket. EG is far more stable in comparison. Fucking hated the articles that were written after iG won TI2. It was almost racist how they were praised as some mystical/genius/perfect team simply because they were chinese. Then they played one match and lost and kept on losing. Rofl, so mystical. The trend towards exoticism is just as deep as the trend towards tribalism. Fact of the matter is, both regions have potentially strong teams right now, and based on player synergy, metagame developments, the probable final patch before TI5, and who's feeling especially on their game on any given day, the results could be all fucking over the place. I mean, hell, I think Team Tinker might even finish in the money.
eg recently regularly draws against t4 teams, whatever that says about the team atm
and even burden has a better chance of even qualifying than tt lmao
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well the tournament is has 11 million price pool obviously 50k is no big deal for the team that didn't land 8th place
wait what are we talking about again ? lol (i'm not following i thought we were talking about east vs west placement or something)
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On March 13 2015 01:45 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 01:32 Acritter wrote:On March 13 2015 01:24 Animzor wrote:On March 12 2015 23:31 Acritter wrote:On March 12 2015 23:25 Comeh wrote:On March 12 2015 23:22 Acritter wrote:On March 12 2015 23:19 Comeh wrote:On March 12 2015 23:18 Plansix wrote:On March 12 2015 23:14 goody153 wrote:
So guys i have this feeling that TI5 will be TI4 all over again.. All western teams gonna get rekt by China. Did you watched DAC? Because thats not what happened in any way. China has just as many terrible teams as NA. NA just has a few less tier 1 teams. Most of the Chinese teams had less practice, and new a huge reshuffle was coming so were less inclined to perform. Secret was brand new, and EG with Sumail was very new. Fair enough - but they did bootcamp pretty hard and new their rosters would be stable (EG less so I suppose). Chinese teams pre CNY are not even worth talking about. TI5 should be another year of Chinese dominance imo. Secret probalby has the best shot, EG a lesser one IMO (unless ppd massively outdrafts chinese teams still - who knows china has been dumb before) People always overrate China. Remember before TI3, when people were convinced China was going to just destroy everything? Even after the embarrassment of G-1? It's not some mystical land of perfect doto. It's just another region, and the West happens to have some very strong teams right now. I also think you're massively overrating Secret. They stand a solid chance of just getting fucked by their one-dimensional drafting. Puppey might get his act together, but if he doesn't, they're going to sweep groups and get broken in bracket. EG is far more stable in comparison. Fucking hated the articles that were written after iG won TI2. It was almost racist how they were praised as some mystical/genius/perfect team simply because they were chinese. Then they played one match and lost and kept on losing. Rofl, so mystical. The trend towards exoticism is just as deep as the trend towards tribalism. Fact of the matter is, both regions have potentially strong teams right now, and based on player synergy, metagame developments, the probable final patch before TI5, and who's feeling especially on their game on any given day, the results could be all fucking over the place. I mean, hell, I think Team Tinker might even finish in the money. eg recently regularly draws against t4 teams, whatever that says about the team atm and even burden has a better chance of even qualifying than tt lmao
This reasoning would have made 2013 PR into a low T1 team, given how many games they managed to take off of legit T1 teams.
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On March 13 2015 01:40 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 01:37 Acritter wrote:On March 13 2015 01:34 Unleashing wrote:On March 13 2015 01:31 teddyoojo wrote:
i mean dac finals almost had 100k viewers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To be fair for anyone in the west it was like the worst possible time to host a big final. Morning for europe on a monday and the middle of the night for the US. On March 13 2015 01:32 Acritter wrote:
I mean, hell, I think Team Tinker might even finish in the money. Let's not get crazy. The players in TT are extremely scrappy and unreliable, barring the universally solid Black^. They're one of the best-situated teams to take games off of far superior players. Fucking Liquid made it into the money last year, and they had absolutely no right doing that. They didn't make it they got crushed by LGD hard. Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 01:37 teddyoojo wrote:
english esl one stream already had 200k viewers at 11am well it's 11 am though
yeah for europeans
just like dac
i mean of course i get ur repeated arguments about dac being on at a bad time
point still stands there wasnt a dota2 tournament in a long time apart from ti that brought any real viewer numbers lan or not
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On March 13 2015 01:49 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 01:40 goody153 wrote:On March 13 2015 01:37 Acritter wrote:On March 13 2015 01:34 Unleashing wrote:On March 13 2015 01:31 teddyoojo wrote:
i mean dac finals almost had 100k viewers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To be fair for anyone in the west it was like the worst possible time to host a big final. Morning for europe on a monday and the middle of the night for the US. On March 13 2015 01:32 Acritter wrote:
I mean, hell, I think Team Tinker might even finish in the money. Let's not get crazy. The players in TT are extremely scrappy and unreliable, barring the universally solid Black^. They're one of the best-situated teams to take games off of far superior players. Fucking Liquid made it into the money last year, and they had absolutely no right doing that. They didn't make it they got crushed by LGD hard. On March 13 2015 01:37 teddyoojo wrote:
english esl one stream already had 200k viewers at 11am well it's 11 am though yeah for europeans just like dac i mean of course i get ur repeated arguments about dac being on at a bad time point still stands there wasnt a dota2 tournament in a long time apart from ti that brought any real viewer numbers lan or not
Well outside that TI didn't have much problems.
Even before DAC began things like BTS casting but not onsite was somewhat a hypekiller. Also the content in between games was a lackluster. Idk it was not TI level
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dac still had like 1 million live vierwers total at some point
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On March 13 2015 01:38 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 01:19 goody153 wrote:All the Hao puns on the VG acquires Hao thread is glorious meanwhile ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YII3XpG.png) i don't follow CS:GO but i tune in randomly on random tournaments .. but 280k viewers holy crap .. Is this their own version of The International ? (and since i don't follow sc2 anymore is it also their own version of DAC? or just a normal tournament) CSGO doesnt have an International, moreso several Majors throughout the year
no liquid??
s a d
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On March 13 2015 01:47 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 01:45 andyrau wrote:On March 13 2015 01:32 Acritter wrote:On March 13 2015 01:24 Animzor wrote:On March 12 2015 23:31 Acritter wrote:On March 12 2015 23:25 Comeh wrote:On March 12 2015 23:22 Acritter wrote:On March 12 2015 23:19 Comeh wrote:On March 12 2015 23:18 Plansix wrote:On March 12 2015 23:14 goody153 wrote:
So guys i have this feeling that TI5 will be TI4 all over again.. All western teams gonna get rekt by China. Did you watched DAC? Because thats not what happened in any way. China has just as many terrible teams as NA. NA just has a few less tier 1 teams. Most of the Chinese teams had less practice, and new a huge reshuffle was coming so were less inclined to perform. Secret was brand new, and EG with Sumail was very new. Fair enough - but they did bootcamp pretty hard and new their rosters would be stable (EG less so I suppose). Chinese teams pre CNY are not even worth talking about. TI5 should be another year of Chinese dominance imo. Secret probalby has the best shot, EG a lesser one IMO (unless ppd massively outdrafts chinese teams still - who knows china has been dumb before) People always overrate China. Remember before TI3, when people were convinced China was going to just destroy everything? Even after the embarrassment of G-1? It's not some mystical land of perfect doto. It's just another region, and the West happens to have some very strong teams right now. I also think you're massively overrating Secret. They stand a solid chance of just getting fucked by their one-dimensional drafting. Puppey might get his act together, but if he doesn't, they're going to sweep groups and get broken in bracket. EG is far more stable in comparison. Fucking hated the articles that were written after iG won TI2. It was almost racist how they were praised as some mystical/genius/perfect team simply because they were chinese. Then they played one match and lost and kept on losing. Rofl, so mystical. The trend towards exoticism is just as deep as the trend towards tribalism. Fact of the matter is, both regions have potentially strong teams right now, and based on player synergy, metagame developments, the probable final patch before TI5, and who's feeling especially on their game on any given day, the results could be all fucking over the place. I mean, hell, I think Team Tinker might even finish in the money. eg recently regularly draws against t4 teams, whatever that says about the team atm and even burden has a better chance of even qualifying than tt lmao This reasoning would have made 2013 PR into a low T1 team, given how many games they managed to take off of legit T1 teams.
r u dumb where did i say that makes eg a t4 team
im just saying they're not performing up to the expected par, whatever that actually says about the team
which could mean anything from:
tehy dont care cause online quals
they arent trying
no motivation
they arent practicing
dac was a fluke and the new team actually sucks dick but i doubt it
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someone on twitter said in game HLTV had 385k but I'm not sure if they're full of shit
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On March 13 2015 01:56 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 01:47 Acritter wrote:On March 13 2015 01:45 andyrau wrote:On March 13 2015 01:32 Acritter wrote:On March 13 2015 01:24 Animzor wrote:On March 12 2015 23:31 Acritter wrote:On March 12 2015 23:25 Comeh wrote:On March 12 2015 23:22 Acritter wrote:On March 12 2015 23:19 Comeh wrote:On March 12 2015 23:18 Plansix wrote:
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Did you watched DAC? Because thats not what happened in any way. China has just as many terrible teams as NA. NA just has a few less tier 1 teams. Most of the Chinese teams had less practice, and new a huge reshuffle was coming so were less inclined to perform. Secret was brand new, and EG with Sumail was very new. Fair enough - but they did bootcamp pretty hard and new their rosters would be stable (EG less so I suppose). Chinese teams pre CNY are not even worth talking about. TI5 should be another year of Chinese dominance imo. Secret probalby has the best shot, EG a lesser one IMO (unless ppd massively outdrafts chinese teams still - who knows china has been dumb before) People always overrate China. Remember before TI3, when people were convinced China was going to just destroy everything? Even after the embarrassment of G-1? It's not some mystical land of perfect doto. It's just another region, and the West happens to have some very strong teams right now. I also think you're massively overrating Secret. They stand a solid chance of just getting fucked by their one-dimensional drafting. Puppey might get his act together, but if he doesn't, they're going to sweep groups and get broken in bracket. EG is far more stable in comparison. Fucking hated the articles that were written after iG won TI2. It was almost racist how they were praised as some mystical/genius/perfect team simply because they were chinese. Then they played one match and lost and kept on losing. Rofl, so mystical. The trend towards exoticism is just as deep as the trend towards tribalism. Fact of the matter is, both regions have potentially strong teams right now, and based on player synergy, metagame developments, the probable final patch before TI5, and who's feeling especially on their game on any given day, the results could be all fucking over the place. I mean, hell, I think Team Tinker might even finish in the money. eg recently regularly draws against t4 teams, whatever that says about the team atm and even burden has a better chance of even qualifying than tt lmao This reasoning would have made 2013 PR into a low T1 team, given how many games they managed to take off of legit T1 teams. r u dumb where did i say that makes eg a t4 team im just saying they're not performing up to the expected par, whatever that actually says about the team which could mean anything from: tehy dont care cause online quals they arent trying no motivation they arent practicing dac was a fluke and the new team actually sucks dick but i doubt it
If there's nothing that can be said about it then it barely even exists as a statistical point. Let's wait a few months and see if they take a cheap victory in one of these random leagues.
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On March 13 2015 01:55 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 01:38 ahswtini wrote:On March 13 2015 01:19 goody153 wrote:All the Hao puns on the VG acquires Hao thread is glorious meanwhile i don't follow CS:GO but i tune in randomly on random tournaments .. but 280k viewers holy crap .. Is this their own version of The International ? (and since i don't follow sc2 anymore is it also their own version of DAC? or just a normal tournament) CSGO doesnt have an International, moreso several Majors throughout the year no liquid?? s a d
TL has a csgo team iirc
partnered with Curse or smthing
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d2cl has Empire vs Burden
MLG has HR vs Tinker
time to prove that the band of rejects can beat T1 CIS team
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On March 13 2015 01:59 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 01:56 andyrau wrote:On March 13 2015 01:47 Acritter wrote:On March 13 2015 01:45 andyrau wrote:On March 13 2015 01:32 Acritter wrote:On March 13 2015 01:24 Animzor wrote:On March 12 2015 23:31 Acritter wrote:On March 12 2015 23:25 Comeh wrote:On March 12 2015 23:22 Acritter wrote:On March 12 2015 23:19 Comeh wrote:
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Most of the Chinese teams had less practice, and new a huge reshuffle was coming so were less inclined to perform. Secret was brand new, and EG with Sumail was very new. Fair enough - but they did bootcamp pretty hard and new their rosters would be stable (EG less so I suppose). Chinese teams pre CNY are not even worth talking about. TI5 should be another year of Chinese dominance imo. Secret probalby has the best shot, EG a lesser one IMO (unless ppd massively outdrafts chinese teams still - who knows china has been dumb before) People always overrate China. Remember before TI3, when people were convinced China was going to just destroy everything? Even after the embarrassment of G-1? It's not some mystical land of perfect doto. It's just another region, and the West happens to have some very strong teams right now. I also think you're massively overrating Secret. They stand a solid chance of just getting fucked by their one-dimensional drafting. Puppey might get his act together, but if he doesn't, they're going to sweep groups and get broken in bracket. EG is far more stable in comparison. Fucking hated the articles that were written after iG won TI2. It was almost racist how they were praised as some mystical/genius/perfect team simply because they were chinese. Then they played one match and lost and kept on losing. Rofl, so mystical. The trend towards exoticism is just as deep as the trend towards tribalism. Fact of the matter is, both regions have potentially strong teams right now, and based on player synergy, metagame developments, the probable final patch before TI5, and who's feeling especially on their game on any given day, the results could be all fucking over the place. I mean, hell, I think Team Tinker might even finish in the money. eg recently regularly draws against t4 teams, whatever that says about the team atm and even burden has a better chance of even qualifying than tt lmao This reasoning would have made 2013 PR into a low T1 team, given how many games they managed to take off of legit T1 teams. r u dumb where did i say that makes eg a t4 team im just saying they're not performing up to the expected par, whatever that actually says about the team which could mean anything from: tehy dont care cause online quals they arent trying no motivation they arent practicing dac was a fluke and the new team actually sucks dick but i doubt it If there's nothing that can be said about it then it barely even exists as a statistical point. Let's wait a few months and see if they take a cheap victory in one of these random leagues.
Fact of the matter is, both regions have potentially strong teams right now, and based on player synergy, metagame developments, the probable final patch before TI5,
none of these exist as a 'statistical point' either im just spouting as much random shit as you are
speculative unsubstantiated opinions
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On March 13 2015 01:59 crms wrote:
someone on twitter said in game HLTV had 385k but I'm not sure if they're full of shit
In-game viewer number actually includes twitch viewers cuz that api shit for drops rofl
On March 13 2015 01:59 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 01:55 CorsairHero wrote:On March 13 2015 01:38 ahswtini wrote:On March 13 2015 01:19 goody153 wrote:All the Hao puns on the VG acquires Hao thread is glorious meanwhile i don't follow CS:GO but i tune in randomly on random tournaments .. but 280k viewers holy crap .. Is this their own version of The International ? (and since i don't follow sc2 anymore is it also their own version of DAC? or just a normal tournament) CSGO doesnt have an International, moreso several Majors throughout the year no liquid?? s a d TL has a csgo team iirc partnered with Curse or smthing
yeah but we didn't qualify for this event, lost in the qualifiers etc QQ
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now i'm starting to wonder how do you hypecast CSGO or how do you discuss CSGO ? i feel like if bw/sc2 are easier to cast than dota then dota is easier than CSGO
On March 13 2015 02:05 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 01:59 goody153 wrote:On March 13 2015 01:55 CorsairHero wrote:On March 13 2015 01:38 ahswtini wrote:On March 13 2015 01:19 goody153 wrote:All the Hao puns on the VG acquires Hao thread is glorious meanwhile i don't follow CS:GO but i tune in randomly on random tournaments .. but 280k viewers holy crap .. Is this their own version of The International ? (and since i don't follow sc2 anymore is it also their own version of DAC? or just a normal tournament) CSGO doesnt have an International, moreso several Majors throughout the year no liquid?? s a d TL has a csgo team iirc partnered with Curse or smthing yeah but we didn't qualify for this event, lost in the qualifiers etc QQ
what ? (QQ)
that must be why i never heard of this big CSGO tourney
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