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Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
March 04 2015 16:50 GMT
#13361
On March 05 2015 01:46 Plansix wrote:
Her two main spells are fine, but that passive is garbage. Even her ult can be useful without a ton of items with good positioning. Maybe she needs a new passive or some third spell that scales into the late game.

Arcane aura, garbage????
That aura is amazing.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 16:52:32
March 04 2015 16:51 GMT
#13362
On March 05 2015 01:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
? her passive is her best ability
shame her base model is game-losingly bad in almost every way.

Hey, at least it has 600 autoattack range!

Obviously it just needs to be buffed to match her sister's.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 16:52:08
March 04 2015 16:51 GMT
#13363
On March 05 2015 01:51 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 01:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
? her passive is her best ability
shame her base model is game-losingly bad in almost every way.

Hey, at least it has 600 autoattack range!

yeah thats the "almost" bit
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 16:53:38
March 04 2015 16:52 GMT
#13364
On March 05 2015 01:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
? her passive is her best ability
shame her base model is game-losingly bad in almost every way.

I am sort of with Kupon on this one that mana isn't a big deal and global regen isn't that awesome. If you compair her to other supports like Dazzle or veng, she is just a bummer. Maybe she just needs a better auto attack or something. Or not to have shoes made of lead.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 16:55:02
March 04 2015 16:52 GMT
#13365
I think CMs spells are fine honestly, i think icefrog should go against his "buff strengths instead of buffing weaknesses" and just give CM some extra movespeed already and improve her base stats a bit(He can keep the mana pool at level 1 the same)

Edit: CMs aura is honestly fucking great and for a lot of hero that aura can turn stale-mate lanes into won lanes, her spells aren't bad at all, if you just slapped all her spells onto a hero with great base stats and model she would likely be one of the #1 supports.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44284 Posts
March 04 2015 16:55 GMT
#13366
s4 is streaming again

On March 05 2015 01:51 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 01:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
? her passive is her best ability
shame her base model is game-losingly bad in almost every way.

Hey, at least it has 600 autoattack range!

Obviously it just needs to be buffed to match her sister's.

ok i'll be honest

the only reason i want her to be buffed/reworks is that she gets picked like is now

and hope for the day that are become a standard pick material
this is a quote
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
March 04 2015 16:55 GMT
#13367
why dont we just give rubick her passive
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 16:57:11
March 04 2015 16:56 GMT
#13368
I have said this about 1000times, so her current aura at lvl2 equals to her aura lvl4 pre-patch, and from my extensive experience of playing her back then (cough hippy dota player cough), lvl4 aura pre-patch is all the bloody mana regen that you are going to need anyway so technically you wont need more than lvl2 aura of the current CM ie technically current CM is capped at lvl23.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 04 2015 16:57 GMT
#13369
I think the biggest issue with CM is her base stats.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 04 2015 16:57 GMT
#13370
On March 05 2015 01:55 teddyoojo wrote:
why dont we just give rubick her passive

Or his attack animation and movement speed. My god that would be so good.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
March 04 2015 16:57 GMT
#13371
if you check the eve thread you will notice that cm is the new lycan
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 16:58:38
March 04 2015 16:58 GMT
#13372
On March 05 2015 01:52 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 01:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
? her passive is her best ability
shame her base model is game-losingly bad in almost every way.

I am sort of with Kupon on this one that mana isn't a big deal and global regen isn't that awesome. If you compair her to other supports like Dazzle or veng, she is just a bummer. Maybe she just needs a better auto attack or something. Or not to have shoes made of lead.

I mean, the aura is basically core to her identity as a hero at this point, and even if you think the aura's bad, there are definitely other playable heroes that basically don't have a 3rd skill. Even if you were gonna change her, the last thing I'd do to change her is get rid of the aura.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 17:00:33
March 04 2015 16:58 GMT
#13373
Just give her agha upgrade global ult. because i dont see why not, judging by the trends from recent patches

(obviously less damage and duration etc). might as well make it an activatable snow weather mode that debuff enemies
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 04 2015 17:00 GMT
#13374
On March 05 2015 01:57 PassiveAce wrote:
if you check the eve thread you will notice that cm is the new lycan

KwarK can't possibly be grinding only-cm-jungle games at whatever MMR can he?
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Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
March 04 2015 17:00 GMT
#13375
I am never sure what to do as CM in lane. I cant babysit because I am too slow to zone any relevant offlaner and I cant pull because my lane partner goes in, dies and flames me for not being there.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 04 2015 17:01 GMT
#13376
On March 05 2015 01:58 BurningSera wrote:
Just give her agha upgrade global ult. because i dont see why not, judging by the trends from recent patches

(obviously less damage and duration etc). might as well make it an activatable snow weather mode that debuff enemies

If we're following recent trends, the thing to do is obviously give one of her two nukes a spell-specific cast animation (as opposed to just making her cast animation better, cuz it's more confusing this way).
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Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
March 04 2015 17:01 GMT
#13377
295 base movespeed
keep the attack range
improve the attack point to 0.3 or 0.4
give her some slightly higher base strength and improve the growth per level to 2.0 per level or something
buff the int back up to 19 or 21

suddenly super viable support again
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 17:03:52
March 04 2015 17:02 GMT
#13378
On March 05 2015 01:58 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 01:52 Plansix wrote:
On March 05 2015 01:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
? her passive is her best ability
shame her base model is game-losingly bad in almost every way.

I am sort of with Kupon on this one that mana isn't a big deal and global regen isn't that awesome. If you compair her to other supports like Dazzle or veng, she is just a bummer. Maybe she just needs a better auto attack or something. Or not to have shoes made of lead.

I mean, the aura is basically core to her identity as a hero at this point, and even if you think the aura's bad, there are definitely other playable heroes that basically don't have a 3rd skill. Even if you were gonna change her, the last thing I'd do to change her is get rid of the aura.

Yeah, I just reviewed her stats and they are just sad. If they increased them a bit and increased her projectile speed to something that was reasonable, she might be ok. Her move speed sucks, but its not like she really has a problem farming boots currently.

Or maybe someone will find a way to get her into the meta, who knows. Dota is weird. Apparently her and SS have the same attack speed, but I think someone is lying to me there.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 04 2015 17:02 GMT
#13379
CM feels like one of those heroes that needs boots first, so basically she can't solo support.

Like her awful base stats don't seem to gel with the kit that IF gave her - I know hes trying to keep her balanced but she doesn't feel very balanced.
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Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 17:03:59
March 04 2015 17:03 GMT
#13380
Her projectile speed is fine honestly, just improve her attack point if you want to improve her auto attacks
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
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