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Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
February 22 2015 18:12 GMT
#11461
Luna needs +1 Armor.
Its obvious.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
February 22 2015 18:46 GMT
#11462
orbs and effects like diffusal/maim need to trigger off every single glaive bounce, clearly

bouncing manaburn and lifesteal
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44284 Posts
February 22 2015 18:51 GMT
#11463
include chance to mjolnir proc per glave bounce too
this is a quote
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 22 2015 18:56 GMT
#11464
I think luna's higher winrate is due to being a good deathball hero for yearbeast. All 6.83c statistics are lies.


But clearly luna needs 4.0 agi gain per level to be relevant again, 1.35 BAT, and for eclipse to one shot creeps that aren't ancients.
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
February 22 2015 19:17 GMT
#11465
I didn't think that yearbeast was counted for Dotabuff.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
February 22 2015 20:15 GMT
#11466
moonglaive should be a toggle - no bounces to gain 200 attack range
High Risk Low Reward
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
February 22 2015 20:18 GMT
#11467
On February 23 2015 04:17 Jinxed wrote:
I didn't think that yearbeast was counted for Dotabuff.

It is, apparently they don't have a way of distinguishing it from normal mm games
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28101 Posts
February 22 2015 20:22 GMT
#11468
On February 23 2015 01:33 Comeh wrote:
How the fuck do you win on Luna that hero is awful right now.

http://a.pomf.se/pnbdvw.mp4

Emu is this u

No I have never used "emu" with the small "e". Just "Emu".

@Jinxed I've played a bit of Phoenix when I get forced to the offlane when I'm solo queueing.
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 20:24:45
February 22 2015 20:22 GMT
#11469
On February 23 2015 04:17 Jinxed wrote:
I didn't think that yearbeast was counted for Dotabuff.

afaik there's still no way of telling yearbeast games apart which is kinda hilarious

also you guys realize luna glaives can bounce back to their original target right glaivepocalypse has already arrived just nobody realizes it yet thats like infinite damage come on that heroes super broken
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l3loodraven
Profile Joined July 2013
2753 Posts
February 22 2015 20:29 GMT
#11470
*hero's
"fear.dankness cuts deeper than swords"
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 22 2015 20:30 GMT
#11471
that change happened like an eternity ago
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
February 22 2015 20:31 GMT
#11472
ya luna has been secretly broken for years
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Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
February 22 2015 20:43 GMT
#11473
Go mid Luna. It might be a 6 year old strat (we HoN now) but it's good.

Go manta skadi who needs bkb when you can throw motherfucking snowballs at people. Best way to win games.
Favorite players: Gh and Zai
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
February 22 2015 21:00 GMT
#11474
idk why more people don't run skywrath mid more often..that shit is legit
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
l3loodraven
Profile Joined July 2013
2753 Posts
February 22 2015 21:06 GMT
#11475
because he's totally reliant on snowballing off kills and super easy to gank early.
"fear.dankness cuts deeper than swords"
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 21:11:33
February 22 2015 21:11 GMT
#11476
im no expert, but i just got shitted on with smoke ganks mid..still managed to rally around the team and proceed to completely dumpster the enemy.

i feel like with the gold and xp changes this patch, maybe its not bad. at least it's not bad in pubs.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
l3loodraven
Profile Joined July 2013
2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 21:29:30
February 22 2015 21:18 GMT
#11477
obviously he's a strong hero, otherwise he wouldn't be so popular as a 5 position...but its the same issue as running a lot of support heroes mid, sure a skymage or rhasta or sd can do a lot with farm, but the reason these heroes are played as supports is because they can do a lot without farm too.

also if you lose your lane on most of these heroes you are going to have a very hard time because you have no farming mechanism to catch up, so you have to try to gank without the advantage you'd like to have...its just a very precarious position to put yourself in.

conversely, you can pick a retard hero like sf or naga or something and feed your ass off, then hit creeps for 10 minutes and oh look you have the highest networth in the game.
"fear.dankness cuts deeper than swords"
DaMuffinman
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1705 Posts
February 22 2015 21:30 GMT
#11478
Also BKB just solves you
But does it djent?
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 22 2015 21:36 GMT
#11479
just ward his jungle camps
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 21:47:54
February 22 2015 21:41 GMT
#11480
On February 23 2015 06:18 l3loodraven wrote:
also if you lose your lane on most of these heroes you are going to have a very hard time because you have no farming mechanism to catch up, so you have to try to gank without the advantage you'd like to have...its just a very precarious position to put yourself in.

I mean, if you actually manage to lose a lane as Skywrath that's not something absurd like Bane or OD, you probably deserve to lose the game anyway, because you have to get massively outplayed for that to happen. The SD and Rhasta comparisons aren't really great because Rhasta and SD don't gain damage (and consequently, solo-killing ability) from levels nearly as aggressively as Skywrath does.

You're also way overstating how easy he is to gank when he has 325 base MS and a 0 animation slow that doesn't requires facing to cast and doesn't interrupt movement.

He is reliant on snowballing the game, but at most levels of play where nobody's ever seen a Skywrath mid, you can honestly probably solo-kill their mid laner twice before level 6, and as long as you can leverage that advantage, you can win the game from there.
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