EPTI could see this patch being kinda ass for pos1 and pos3 atm. There's enough strange shit going on mid that you'd get some variety, but I could definitely see those two positions being worse than they have been in the past, not better.
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Fleetfeet
Canada2807 Posts
I could see this patch being kinda ass for pos1 and pos3 atm. There's enough strange shit going on mid that you'd get some variety, but I could definitely see those two positions being worse than they have been in the past, not better. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On January 25 2020 16:27 Fleetfeet wrote: Out of curiosity what position(s) do you usually play? I could see this patch being kinda ass for pos1 and pos3 atm. There's enough strange shit going on mid that you'd get some variety, but I could definitely see those two positions being worse than they have been in the past, not better. i play all positions but i ended playing mid and 3 and 5 for whatever reason this patch out of necessity for my now-RIP stack. i actually enjoy 3 the most in this patch because theres so many stupid strength heroes if i do start up current dota2 now i just play turbo which IMO is way better at getting to the heart of what modern dota2 is and as a bonus also ends faster on average | ||
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goody153
44290 Posts
On January 25 2020 15:22 rabidch wrote: tbh i dont like playing (watching is OK) this patch very much at all. been playing old dota versions and enjoying it despite missing some things like backpack and individual couriers I still dislike the addition of the neutral items like i think it can be really stupid at times and heavily unbalanced. But i don't dislike it enough not to play it. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
Even tho i dont like it that much overall, i think it's fun because of the said rng, but when it comes to competitive, there's too much on the line for that... Imagine winning TI because you got Apex with a morph on your team, the other team can't predict that. | ||
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Erasme
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goody153
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The problem i think is when a team is behind mostly then picks up some crucial neutral items like i have seen so many times an underfarmed w33ha from the minor and major comepletely just goes straight for the big items and is unaffected by the problems he had earlier in the game because of the neutral item pretty much fills him up with items for armor/damage/stats as if he was never behind in the firstplace. It is a problem for progames but isn't much for players like me. It is even more random runes but at least runes can be controlled and expected which gives a room for outplay if you want that advantage. Neutral items pretty much gives advantage according to icefrogs desire completely | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
I'm so sorry ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/8DPfmkz.jpg) | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2807 Posts
Honestly I think netural items just need to avoid dead items. Iron talon and PMS feel like they have a lot of situations where they're just useless to your team. Also shovel needs charges so it's not just unanimously the most appealing t1 drop. | ||
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On January 26 2020 17:41 Slomo wrote: Maybe neutral items should get a net worth value. That was good neutral item rng can get balanced out by higher kill bounties. this is really the core issue with neutral items, that they are not tied to a networth value and given for simply killing a jungle creep. it messes with the bounty resource system of dota2 and is difficult to balance because what can be useful for one hero is useless for another and theres no choice in the matter of what kind of shit drops. how i think it should be balanced is that except for 70:00 minute items teams can get neutral item token for a selection of cheap, medium, and expensive items, of which the tier can be divided into different sets of items. that way theres less randomness of usefulenss, theres a networth tied into the item, and the item can be balanced more around what it actually offers for a cost. also fucking get rid of all neutral items that are simply recipes. if anything, make them still functional but upgradeable into its "final form". my idea for 70 min items is that they work the similarly as now, but every 1 or 2 minutes teams get more chances to get the other (not the same) kinds of neutral item drops another gripe i have about neutral items is that they just drop on the floor. i have seen many a time where neutral items are lost because hero was unable to pick it up or accidentally killed a neutral creep and it happened to drop a really good item and the other team picks it up first. or because said player is playing a micro hero with units unable to pick up item and has to walk all the way over to the spot to get it (yet another nerf to micro heroes) -- this can happen when enemy hero is standing in the area but not close enough | ||
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Faruko
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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goody153
44290 Posts
On January 26 2020 23:52 Slomo wrote: What is happening? I left for a weekend to learn how to ski and now my team is falling apart. Should've never have ski'd. I blame you for this. On the bright side we know that OG aint winning this year so hey the TI10 championship is ripe for the taking. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
On January 27 2020 02:00 goody153 wrote: Should've never have ski'd. I blame you for this. On the bright side we know that OG aint winning this year so hey the TI10 championship is ripe for the taking. we said that many times before and they end up winning congrats OG for winning a third TI in a row | ||
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
On January 27 2020 02:00 goody153 wrote: Should've never have ski'd. I blame you for this. On the bright side we know that OG aint winning this year so hey the TI10 championship is ripe for the taking. I agree on the first part. Hope they announce something on tuesday after true sight then. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32755 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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