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On September 06 2014 02:09 Cinim wrote:
But damn, I just lost all respect for Arteezy, with how ignorant he is about the world, instantly stating how everything is worse, after never having been to China before, such an ignorant prick, I will forever be miserable whenever this guy has success, what an asshole.
Basicly he is saying that stuff are different than at home and it's hard to get used to, so it sucks, how can anyone be so ignorant about the world?? I don't get it....
Do you know what city he is from? Do you know how old he is?
People these days lol.
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On September 06 2014 02:43 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 02:09 Cinim wrote:
But damn, I just lost all respect for Arteezy, with how ignorant he is about the world, instantly stating how everything is worse, after never having been to China before, such an ignorant prick, I will forever be miserable whenever this guy has success, what an asshole.
Basicly he is saying that stuff are different than at home and it's hard to get used to, so it sucks, how can anyone be so ignorant about the world?? I don't get it.... i gather you haven't been to mainland china before either stay ignant tho depending on the environment you're used to the China experience ranges from 'this place is hell' all the way to 'nothing special'.
It's not that terrible, come on. If you grew up in a Brazilian favela or in the slums around Port-au-Prince then Hangzhou would be a great place.
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On September 06 2014 03:14 Zaphid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 23:34 DavoS wrote:On September 05 2014 20:52 Acritter wrote:
Yeah, pretty clear from this that Artour is not exactly the brains of the operation. I love the "heroes go to lanes" conception of strategy.
Still a great interview and I like getting a chance to hear from him. Pretty accurate. 1v1 mastery is a completely different ballpark from drafting strategy and how to achieve sidelane objectives. So weird that these guys either get top 2 or flame out instantly, with no middle ground. I also think it's interesting that he claims there was internal issues with C9 that are fixed by Sing leaving. Sing and Aui seemed to be good bros, I heard Envy and Aui got along, and pie openly admits that he makes mistakes and is open to criticism. Not sure where the conflict would come from I think Sing tries even harder than EE and I feel like he was really disappointed with their TI finish. He's good enough to aim for the top, and let's be honest, C9 wasn't good enough to be championship contender, they always ended up destroyed in the finals or semis by Navi/Alliance/EG
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C9 won tournaments and had the best overall results for the year out of any Western team. Admittedly it's highly likely EG would have done better had they been around as long, but neither Na'vi nor Alliance were as successful and, funnily enough, both did worse at TI.
I have no idea why so many people dismiss C9. It's really weird.
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On September 06 2014 04:02 CherryNubCakes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 02:43 andyrau wrote:On September 06 2014 02:09 Cinim wrote:
But damn, I just lost all respect for Arteezy, with how ignorant he is about the world, instantly stating how everything is worse, after never having been to China before, such an ignorant prick, I will forever be miserable whenever this guy has success, what an asshole.
Basicly he is saying that stuff are different than at home and it's hard to get used to, so it sucks, how can anyone be so ignorant about the world?? I don't get it.... i gather you haven't been to mainland china before either stay ignant tho depending on the environment you're used to the China experience ranges from 'this place is hell' all the way to 'nothing special'. It's not that terrible, come on. If you grew up in a Brazilian favela or in the slums around Port-au-Prince then Hangzhou would be a great place.
On September 06 2014 03:13 Cinim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 02:43 andyrau wrote:On September 06 2014 02:09 Cinim wrote:
But damn, I just lost all respect for Arteezy, with how ignorant he is about the world, instantly stating how everything is worse, after never having been to China before, such an ignorant prick, I will forever be miserable whenever this guy has success, what an asshole.
Basicly he is saying that stuff are different than at home and it's hard to get used to, so it sucks, how can anyone be so ignorant about the world?? I don't get it.... i gather you haven't been to mainland china before either stay ignant tho depending on the environment you're used to the China experience ranges from 'this place is hell' all the way to 'nothing special'. I have been to Mainland China, I've also been to Hangzhou where the tournament is, and all of that is wrong...
depending on the environment you're used to
eg, from my experience, china pretty much sux except for hk and select metropolises
and i've been back like 10+ times
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On September 06 2014 03:14 Zaphid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 23:34 DavoS wrote:On September 05 2014 20:52 Acritter wrote:
Yeah, pretty clear from this that Artour is not exactly the brains of the operation. I love the "heroes go to lanes" conception of strategy.
Still a great interview and I like getting a chance to hear from him. Pretty accurate. 1v1 mastery is a completely different ballpark from drafting strategy and how to achieve sidelane objectives. So weird that these guys either get top 2 or flame out instantly, with no middle ground. I also think it's interesting that he claims there was internal issues with C9 that are fixed by Sing leaving. Sing and Aui seemed to be good bros, I heard Envy and Aui got along, and pie openly admits that he makes mistakes and is open to criticism. Not sure where the conflict would come from I think Sing tries even harder than EE and I feel like he was really disappointed with their TI finish. He's good enough to aim for the top, and let's be honest, C9 wasn't good enough to be championship contender, they always ended up destroyed in the finals or semis by Navi/Alliance/EG
"I think..." and "I feel..."
Yeah well, let me just tell you that you're wrong.
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rofl i can hear their voices
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Arteezy the Justin Bieber of dota ?
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On September 06 2014 03:24 blobrus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 03:13 Cinim wrote:On September 06 2014 02:43 andyrau wrote:On September 06 2014 02:09 Cinim wrote:
But damn, I just lost all respect for Arteezy, with how ignorant he is about the world, instantly stating how everything is worse, after never having been to China before, such an ignorant prick, I will forever be miserable whenever this guy has success, what an asshole.
Basicly he is saying that stuff are different than at home and it's hard to get used to, so it sucks, how can anyone be so ignorant about the world?? I don't get it.... i gather you haven't been to mainland china before either stay ignant tho depending on the environment you're used to the China experience ranges from 'this place is hell' all the way to 'nothing special'. I have been to Mainland China, I've also been to Hangzhou where the tournament is, and all of that is wrong... People can actually have different opinions, he is in no way wrong for having a different opinion than you. There's nothing wrong with him not liking something and being upfront about it.
What? he has only been there once, and for just a very short amount of time, he has no right to even form a valueable opinion based on such small amount of experiences. I'm not bashing him at all for his opinion, I respect peoples opinions.
The thing is that he judges things ONLY because they are different, he doesn't know anything about China, and goes there and calls everything shit, which is different from what he is used to.
On September 06 2014 04:02 CherryNubCakes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 02:43 andyrau wrote:On September 06 2014 02:09 Cinim wrote:
But damn, I just lost all respect for Arteezy, with how ignorant he is about the world, instantly stating how everything is worse, after never having been to China before, such an ignorant prick, I will forever be miserable whenever this guy has success, what an asshole.
Basicly he is saying that stuff are different than at home and it's hard to get used to, so it sucks, how can anyone be so ignorant about the world?? I don't get it.... i gather you haven't been to mainland china before either stay ignant tho depending on the environment you're used to the China experience ranges from 'this place is hell' all the way to 'nothing special'. It's not that terrible, come on. If you grew up in a Brazilian favela or in the slums around Port-au-Prince then Hangzhou would be a great place.
Honestly, in most areas the major Chinese cities at the mid-east at the coast are as modern as any city in Canda, Hangzhou is also very modern, and would also be nice even if you are from a major Canadian city, you just have to get used to the different things, and approach the place with an open mind, it obviously takes time to get used to.
If he had stayed there for like, 5-6 months or more, and then still thought that China sucked, I would respect him, but saying that after only having just landed on the plane and taking a bus ride....
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On September 06 2014 06:09 Cinim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 03:24 blobrus wrote:On September 06 2014 03:13 Cinim wrote:On September 06 2014 02:43 andyrau wrote:On September 06 2014 02:09 Cinim wrote:
But damn, I just lost all respect for Arteezy, with how ignorant he is about the world, instantly stating how everything is worse, after never having been to China before, such an ignorant prick, I will forever be miserable whenever this guy has success, what an asshole.
Basicly he is saying that stuff are different than at home and it's hard to get used to, so it sucks, how can anyone be so ignorant about the world?? I don't get it.... i gather you haven't been to mainland china before either stay ignant tho depending on the environment you're used to the China experience ranges from 'this place is hell' all the way to 'nothing special'. I have been to Mainland China, I've also been to Hangzhou where the tournament is, and all of that is wrong... People can actually have different opinions, he is in no way wrong for having a different opinion than you. There's nothing wrong with him not liking something and being upfront about it. What? he has only been there once, and for just a very short amount of time, he has no right to even form a valueable opinion based on such small amount of experiences. I'm not bashing him at all for his opinion, I respect peoples opinions. The thing is that he judges things ONLY because they are different, he doesn't know anything about China, and goes there and calls everything shit, which is different from what he is used to. Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 04:02 CherryNubCakes wrote:On September 06 2014 02:43 andyrau wrote:On September 06 2014 02:09 Cinim wrote:
But damn, I just lost all respect for Arteezy, with how ignorant he is about the world, instantly stating how everything is worse, after never having been to China before, such an ignorant prick, I will forever be miserable whenever this guy has success, what an asshole.
Basicly he is saying that stuff are different than at home and it's hard to get used to, so it sucks, how can anyone be so ignorant about the world?? I don't get it.... i gather you haven't been to mainland china before either stay ignant tho depending on the environment you're used to the China experience ranges from 'this place is hell' all the way to 'nothing special'. It's not that terrible, come on. If you grew up in a Brazilian favela or in the slums around Port-au-Prince then Hangzhou would be a great place. Honestly, in most areas the major Chinese cities at the mid-east at the coast are as modern as any city in Canda, Hangzhou is also very modern, and would also be nice even if you are from a major Canadian city, you just have to get used to the different things, and approach the place with an open mind, it obviously takes time to get used to. If he had stayed there for like, 5-6 months or more, and then still thought that China sucked, I would respect him, but saying that after only having just landed on the plane and taking a bus ride....
So you're saying people shouldn't be allowed to express their opinions of things unless they have experienced it for at least 5-6 months? And they aren't allowed to form a first impression? Ok Mr Thoughtpolice...
Hangzhou during this time is probably gonna be very stuffy and hot, I know when I went back to China during August (specifically to Hangzhou) it was so fucking stuffy coz not only is it hot, it's very humid. That's very hard to get used to if you're from Vancouver. Also yeah, Hangzhou is probably one of the nicest cities to be in, but I guarantee the weather is not comparable to Canada. There's just too much smog and shit going on. It's not about whether the city is modern or not.
And are you really gonna deny that the traffic in Hangzhou sucks?
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On September 06 2014 06:09 Cinim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 03:24 blobrus wrote:On September 06 2014 03:13 Cinim wrote:On September 06 2014 02:43 andyrau wrote:On September 06 2014 02:09 Cinim wrote:
But damn, I just lost all respect for Arteezy, with how ignorant he is about the world, instantly stating how everything is worse, after never having been to China before, such an ignorant prick, I will forever be miserable whenever this guy has success, what an asshole.
Basicly he is saying that stuff are different than at home and it's hard to get used to, so it sucks, how can anyone be so ignorant about the world?? I don't get it.... i gather you haven't been to mainland china before either stay ignant tho depending on the environment you're used to the China experience ranges from 'this place is hell' all the way to 'nothing special'. I have been to Mainland China, I've also been to Hangzhou where the tournament is, and all of that is wrong... People can actually have different opinions, he is in no way wrong for having a different opinion than you. There's nothing wrong with him not liking something and being upfront about it. What? he has only been there once, and for just a very short amount of time, he has no right to even form a valueable opinion based on such small amount of experiences. I'm not bashing him at all for his opinion, I respect peoples opinions. The thing is that he judges things ONLY because they are different, he doesn't know anything about China, and goes there and calls everything shit, which is different from what he is used to. Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 04:02 CherryNubCakes wrote:On September 06 2014 02:43 andyrau wrote:On September 06 2014 02:09 Cinim wrote:
But damn, I just lost all respect for Arteezy, with how ignorant he is about the world, instantly stating how everything is worse, after never having been to China before, such an ignorant prick, I will forever be miserable whenever this guy has success, what an asshole.
Basicly he is saying that stuff are different than at home and it's hard to get used to, so it sucks, how can anyone be so ignorant about the world?? I don't get it.... i gather you haven't been to mainland china before either stay ignant tho depending on the environment you're used to the China experience ranges from 'this place is hell' all the way to 'nothing special'. It's not that terrible, come on. If you grew up in a Brazilian favela or in the slums around Port-au-Prince then Hangzhou would be a great place. Honestly, in most areas the major Chinese cities at the mid-east at the coast are as modern as any city in Canda, Hangzhou is also very modern, and would also be nice even if you are from a major Canadian city, you just have to get used to the different things, and approach the place with an open mind, it obviously takes time to get used to. If he had stayed there for like, 5-6 months or more, and then still thought that China sucked, I would respect him, but saying that after only having just landed on the plane and taking a bus ride....
dude hes asking arteezy if he wants to live there, if he thinks it sucks of course he is not going to want to live there and he is entitled to his opinion. What are you some real estate agent in hangzhou?
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Edit: Apparently my fat hands cant click edit instead of quote
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On September 06 2014 06:19 fuzzy_panda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 06:09 Cinim wrote:On September 06 2014 03:24 blobrus wrote:On September 06 2014 03:13 Cinim wrote:On September 06 2014 02:43 andyrau wrote:On September 06 2014 02:09 Cinim wrote:
But damn, I just lost all respect for Arteezy, with how ignorant he is about the world, instantly stating how everything is worse, after never having been to China before, such an ignorant prick, I will forever be miserable whenever this guy has success, what an asshole.
Basicly he is saying that stuff are different than at home and it's hard to get used to, so it sucks, how can anyone be so ignorant about the world?? I don't get it.... i gather you haven't been to mainland china before either stay ignant tho depending on the environment you're used to the China experience ranges from 'this place is hell' all the way to 'nothing special'. I have been to Mainland China, I've also been to Hangzhou where the tournament is, and all of that is wrong... People can actually have different opinions, he is in no way wrong for having a different opinion than you. There's nothing wrong with him not liking something and being upfront about it. What? he has only been there once, and for just a very short amount of time, he has no right to even form a valueable opinion based on such small amount of experiences. I'm not bashing him at all for his opinion, I respect peoples opinions. The thing is that he judges things ONLY because they are different, he doesn't know anything about China, and goes there and calls everything shit, which is different from what he is used to. On September 06 2014 04:02 CherryNubCakes wrote:On September 06 2014 02:43 andyrau wrote:On September 06 2014 02:09 Cinim wrote:
But damn, I just lost all respect for Arteezy, with how ignorant he is about the world, instantly stating how everything is worse, after never having been to China before, such an ignorant prick, I will forever be miserable whenever this guy has success, what an asshole.
Basicly he is saying that stuff are different than at home and it's hard to get used to, so it sucks, how can anyone be so ignorant about the world?? I don't get it.... i gather you haven't been to mainland china before either stay ignant tho depending on the environment you're used to the China experience ranges from 'this place is hell' all the way to 'nothing special'. It's not that terrible, come on. If you grew up in a Brazilian favela or in the slums around Port-au-Prince then Hangzhou would be a great place. Honestly, in most areas the major Chinese cities at the mid-east at the coast are as modern as any city in Canda, Hangzhou is also very modern, and would also be nice even if you are from a major Canadian city, you just have to get used to the different things, and approach the place with an open mind, it obviously takes time to get used to. If he had stayed there for like, 5-6 months or more, and then still thought that China sucked, I would respect him, but saying that after only having just landed on the plane and taking a bus ride.... So you're saying people shouldn't be allowed to express their opinions of things unless they have experienced it for at least 5-6 months? And they aren't allowed to form a first impression? Ok Mr Thoughtpolice... Hangzhou during this time is probably gonna be very stuffy and hot, I know when I went back to China during August (specifically to Hangzhou) it was so fucking stuffy coz not only is it hot, it's very humid. That's very hard to get used to if you're from Vancouver. Also yeah, Hangzhou is probably one of the nicest cities to be in, but I guarantee the weather is not comparable to Canada. There's just too much smog and shit going on. It's not about whether the city is modern or not. And are you really gonna deny that the traffic in Hangzhou sucks?
They are not good drivers, no. That part is true, well don't take the numbers so litteral, also it's not THAT warm anylonger, a month ago yes, right now it's not too bad, but of course the weather is different. The point is that he forms an opinion without having any clue. Also, there is almost no smog in that area right now, that is mostly in the North right now, Hangzhou is a relatively green city, it's nothing like Shanghai or Beijing in terms of smog. I believe(but don't quote me on this, I know other major cities north of there like Wuxi and Suzhou did it) that they banned the use of scooters and motorcycles, specifically for the air.
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On September 06 2014 06:27 Cinim wrote:
The point is that he forms an opinion without having any clue.
What.
>> rtz gets asked his opinion on something
>> uses the experiences and perspectives he has to form his opinion
>> OMG HE'S WRONG I LOST ALL RESPECT FOR HIM
But seriously... What. You're bashing him for giving his opinion on something based on his personal experiences?
Do you understand how insanely absurd you sound.
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On September 06 2014 04:05 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 03:14 Zaphid wrote:On September 05 2014 23:34 DavoS wrote:On September 05 2014 20:52 Acritter wrote:
Yeah, pretty clear from this that Artour is not exactly the brains of the operation. I love the "heroes go to lanes" conception of strategy.
Still a great interview and I like getting a chance to hear from him. Pretty accurate. 1v1 mastery is a completely different ballpark from drafting strategy and how to achieve sidelane objectives. So weird that these guys either get top 2 or flame out instantly, with no middle ground. I also think it's interesting that he claims there was internal issues with C9 that are fixed by Sing leaving. Sing and Aui seemed to be good bros, I heard Envy and Aui got along, and pie openly admits that he makes mistakes and is open to criticism. Not sure where the conflict would come from I think Sing tries even harder than EE and I feel like he was really disappointed with their TI finish. He's good enough to aim for the top, and let's be honest, C9 wasn't good enough to be championship contender, they always ended up destroyed in the finals or semis by Navi/Alliance/EG ? C9 won tournaments and had the best overall results for the year out of any Western team. Admittedly it's highly likely EG would have done better had they been around as long, but neither Na'vi nor Alliance were as successful and, funnily enough, both did worse at TI. I have no idea why so many people dismiss C9. It's really weird.
C9 looked really good in some games, but totally awful in others. They're obviously good and can beat anyone, but it isn't like DK or EG or Na'vi where you -expect- them to beat anyone. My two cents, at least.
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I enjoyed the interview a lot, thanks guys
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Yeah that would of been a great interview...
HB: What do you think of this tourney
Arteezy: I don't know, I've only been here a day. I can't form an opinion
HB: What do you think of China/The city
Arteezy: I don't know, I've only been here a day. I can't form an opinion for a few more months.
HB: PPD/Zai as cores?
Arteezy: I don't know, I'd have to see it for a few lans to form an opinion.
HB: Thoughts on new western teams?
Arteezy: Not fair to give an opinion until I've seen them play for a few months
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I'm glad losing your first game makes you motivated. Now don't lose your second game 
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Is Arteezy stupid or something? He talks as if he was never educated, this has been so hard to read
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