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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 09 2012 03:33 GMT
#19601
On September 09 2012 12:32 Shikyo wrote:
You really shouldn't doubt that build... I actually once made a huge comeback after I farmed a battle fury, heart and 2 divine rapiers with medusa. That was in a game with solum actually(You might know, was B+ in SCBW iccup)


Battlefury is a good build on Medusa and PA farms jungle faster than AM. How can you possibly doubt Shikyo's personal anecdotes where he won games.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
September 09 2012 03:35 GMT
#19602
I am not a dota1 player but a single anecdote proves absolutely nothing. well reasoned arguments based on statistics and practical strategy are preffered.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
September 09 2012 03:39 GMT
#19603
On September 09 2012 12:33 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 12:32 Shikyo wrote:
You really shouldn't doubt that build... I actually once made a huge comeback after I farmed a battle fury, heart and 2 divine rapiers with medusa. That was in a game with solum actually(You might know, was B+ in SCBW iccup)


Battlefury is a good build on Medusa and PA farms jungle faster than AM. How can you possibly doubt Shikyo's personal anecdotes where he won games.


It's not just any personal anecdote man....it includes a B+ iCCup player.
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 09 2012 03:39 GMT
#19604
I'm all for unconventional builds, but if they don't make sense and don't have mechanical advantages then I don't really get the point. It's completely inefficient.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 09 2012 03:41 GMT
#19605
where are the graphs showing unconventional builds leading to guaranteed wins
needs graphs
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 09 2012 03:45 GMT
#19606
Hmmm...

Of course those are low level pubs but I found that I could do more things earlier with a battle fury rush on medusa whereas with a linkens rush I felt like I dealt no damage until a second item (Though obviously there probably is a better offensive alternative than a battle fury) Also I'm not actually saying that I think it's an objectively good build but it kind of works for me... or used to.

I still am a bit doubtful about Medusa not doing anything until megalate, though. Her nuke is incredible and spammable and she pushes like crazy. Fast pushing AD carry should be able to be relevant even without incredible right click damage, especially with the kind of a nuke she has... Lane harrass with mana drain while having infinite mana hmhm... As a bonus she's immune to Sven and Vengeful Spirit stuns for instance, maybe it's a viable counterpick?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
September 09 2012 04:01 GMT
#19607
On September 09 2012 12:41 FinestHour wrote:
where are the graphs showing unconventional builds leading to guaranteed wins
needs graphs


[image loading]

BOOM, SOURCED
Hates Fun🤔
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 04:02:46
September 09 2012 04:02 GMT
#19608
There are new-age medusa builds involving stuff like treads aquila drums yasha that allows for the hero to be reasonably strong midgame, but at that point u might as well use luna~
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
September 09 2012 04:02 GMT
#19609
On September 09 2012 13:01 paper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 12:41 FinestHour wrote:
where are the graphs showing unconventional builds leading to guaranteed wins
needs graphs


[image loading]

BOOM, SOURCED

loooooooooooooooooool
that graph just blew my mind.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
September 09 2012 04:02 GMT
#19610
On September 09 2012 13:01 paper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 12:41 FinestHour wrote:
where are the graphs showing unconventional builds leading to guaranteed wins
needs graphs


[image loading]

BOOM, SOURCED

Thank you for this detailed study. I will include it in my doctoral thesis.
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
September 09 2012 04:05 GMT
#19611
You're like my friend who goes hand of midas enchantress, then afk farm until either orchid or ags.

On September 09 2012 12:35 PassiveAce wrote:
I am not a dota1 player but a single anecdote proves absolutely nothing. well reasoned arguments based on statistics and practical strategy are preffered.


*insert graph about ursa* ursa OP always kill never die most wins all dotrens.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
September 09 2012 04:06 GMT
#19612
Is Shikyo a troll? O_O
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 09 2012 04:13 GMT
#19613
http://www.complexitygaming.com/forums/blog.php?b=2060

sick read. Very insightful if anyone care about the sides of competitive gaming as well as team building.

Btw, i just realize how emotional EHOME and LGD look during the drafting phase of their games. Each of their members has pretty unique facial aspect that characterize them pretty well. The way they show their emotions during the draft is also a beautiful sign on how much they care and love the game.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
September 09 2012 04:14 GMT
#19614
On September 09 2012 13:06 writer22816 wrote:
Is Shikyo a troll? O_O


[image loading]
Hates Fun🤔
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
September 09 2012 04:15 GMT
#19615
I need this device.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
September 09 2012 04:15 GMT
#19616
I disagree. For example look at this post:

On September 09 2012 12:32 Shikyo wrote:
You really shouldn't doubt that build... I actually once made a huge comeback after I farmed a battle fury, heart and 2 divine rapiers with medusa. That was in a game with solum actually(You might know, was B+ in SCBW iccup)


clearly an ingenious troll
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
September 09 2012 04:18 GMT
#19617
Looking at graphs of information from public games i have discovered that:

Wind runner, Invoker, Morphling, enchantress, shadow demon, queen of pain, invoker and lone druid all have a sub 50% win rate, obviously these heroes need to be buffed, the stats speak for themselves!
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2570 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 04:22:46
September 09 2012 04:21 GMT
#19618
On September 09 2012 13:06 writer22816 wrote:
Is Shikyo a troll? O_O


Shikyo is the greatest league of legends player of all time, he never trolls. Medusa Battle Fury best build.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 04:32:23
September 09 2012 04:31 GMT
#19619
On September 09 2012 13:14 paper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 13:06 writer22816 wrote:
Is Shikyo a troll? O_O


[image loading]

I would like for you to cite your sources please
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 04:32:24
September 09 2012 04:32 GMT
#19620
Shikyo has an entire lol qq thread devoted to his existence
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220361
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