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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 01:45:51
September 09 2012 01:45 GMT
#19581
wow... i just realize how similar pudge and PSY is.... opa oppaaaaaaaaaaa
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 01:56:07
September 09 2012 01:53 GMT
#19582
On September 09 2012 10:14 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 10:10 Kipsate wrote:
Kill his team, then kill him or stall until you get a butterfly or an abyssal. Also if he kills you in 4 hits then you are doing it wrong and so is your team.


He went rapier after manta...He stole Razors rapier...but they were already down racks at that point so they still lost.

Also Ursa had Lothars so his team auto wins. When you're playing versus Ursa you should try to have more than one disable...and you might only count storm spirit as half a disable. If only your teammates went sheep stick ^_^

dat furion was supposed to but if you watched any of the game you would see how his competence level was. The rapier thing was funny, Razer drops it -> my team pings -> I'm like wut? Oh there's something there "divine rapier" hmm... took me like 30 seconds to pick it up and the ursa was just chilling right next to me attacking a rax or something -.-


As I didn't really get a good answer in the chat channel, How good is Medusa currently in DotA? Any chance she'll become a viable pick in DotA2? Like from what I remember + from looking at her and comparing to current trends, she seems to fit quite well. Incredible laning, pushes well, get-out-of-jail-free card ult(just like Naga), really difficult to kill.. sustained AoE DPS with a high range(seems like a good secondary carry, maybe even Naga + Medusa).
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 02:08:08
September 09 2012 02:07 GMT
#19583
You were down five racks by the time Razor dropped the rapier (which he bought after you guys were down four racks). Ursa would have died to you trying to loot the rapier which is probably why he didn't go for it. He was oom and had like 10% health left while trying to heal off creeps. Of course, while all this was happening the creeps from middle and bottom were killing your towers/ancient so I doubt he really cares. Good thing you killed Puck while your ancient was dying.

Your storm spirit could have rushed Sheepstick instead of orchid by the way. Your furion should have also gotten one eventually also, but storm spirit actually had the farm to rush one relatively quickly and secure your team the win or at least make Ursa far less of a threat. You seem to notice when everyone plays poorly besides yourself.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
September 09 2012 02:12 GMT
#19584
On September 09 2012 10:53 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 10:14 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On September 09 2012 10:10 Kipsate wrote:
Kill his team, then kill him or stall until you get a butterfly or an abyssal. Also if he kills you in 4 hits then you are doing it wrong and so is your team.


He went rapier after manta...He stole Razors rapier...but they were already down racks at that point so they still lost.

Also Ursa had Lothars so his team auto wins. When you're playing versus Ursa you should try to have more than one disable...and you might only count storm spirit as half a disable. If only your teammates went sheep stick ^_^

dat furion was supposed to but if you watched any of the game you would see how his competence level was. The rapier thing was funny, Razer drops it -> my team pings -> I'm like wut? Oh there's something there "divine rapier" hmm... took me like 30 seconds to pick it up and the ursa was just chilling right next to me attacking a rax or something -.-


As I didn't really get a good answer in the chat channel, How good is Medusa currently in DotA? Any chance she'll become a viable pick in DotA2? Like from what I remember + from looking at her and comparing to current trends, she seems to fit quite well. Incredible laning, pushes well, get-out-of-jail-free card ult(just like Naga), really difficult to kill.. sustained AoE DPS with a high range(seems like a good secondary carry, maybe even Naga + Medusa).


She also requires a lot of farm to do any damage. I've not seen her picked in a long, long while; in fact, I don't think I've seen her picked in the last year. I suppose anything's possible but I don't expect to see her come back without a drastic metagame shift.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 09 2012 02:14 GMT
#19585
Shikyo playing Undying middle. This is going to be funny.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 02:15:36
September 09 2012 02:15 GMT
#19586
Well I haven't seen or heard her being pick in Dota 1 so that's a good indication of things. There are just better heroes(MORPH!@!#!@#(^@#$(&@Q#) than her for the current game.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 02:29:39
September 09 2012 02:24 GMT
#19587
Most of the commonly picked carries (Morph, DK, Naga, Bear) have the defining characteristic that they are powerful contributors to midgame teamfights with 0-1 major item. Morph/DK have powerful baseline damage-dealing ability from having strong nukes and are relevant to fights whenever they happen, Naga sets up AoE combos and also brings decent spell damage with Riptide, Bear becomes relevant the moment he gets Radiance (16-18 minutes).

The lone exception is Antimage, but Antimage's farm is safe, reliable, and fast, meaning that you can still consistently have the items to teamfight around 23-24 minutes (BFury+Manta). Most of the remaining carries in the pool don't farm this fast or are easier to shut down.

Given how the current version of the game is very much centered around powerful midgame pushing/teamfighting heroes, carries that come online later than AM's 23-24 minutes are hard to justify. Medusa generally builds Linken as a farming item, and requires at least Manta after that to become teamfight relevant. She takes longer to hit her prime than 23-24 minutes.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 09 2012 02:31 GMT
#19588
just did the enigma solo rosh thingy.... rosh dead at 8:15 @_@
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 02:37:32
September 09 2012 02:35 GMT
#19589
On September 09 2012 10:53 Shikyo wrote:
As I didn't really get a good answer in the chat channel, How good is Medusa currently in DotA? Any chance she'll become a viable pick in DotA2? Like from what I remember + from looking at her and comparing to current trends, she seems to fit quite well. Incredible laning, pushes well, get-out-of-jail-free card ult(just like Naga), really difficult to kill.. sustained AoE DPS with a high range(seems like a good secondary carry, maybe even Naga + Medusa).

Dusa?
Secondary carry?
Dusa is argueably the hardest teamfight carry in the game together with void.
So yea as mentioned, she needs a ton of farm.

Dusa, the rapier queen.
+ Show Spoiler +
Baller king is obviously the rapier king
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 03:21:40
September 09 2012 03:13 GMT
#19590
On September 09 2012 11:35 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 10:53 Shikyo wrote:
As I didn't really get a good answer in the chat channel, How good is Medusa currently in DotA? Any chance she'll become a viable pick in DotA2? Like from what I remember + from looking at her and comparing to current trends, she seems to fit quite well. Incredible laning, pushes well, get-out-of-jail-free card ult(just like Naga), really difficult to kill.. sustained AoE DPS with a high range(seems like a good secondary carry, maybe even Naga + Medusa).

Dusa?
Secondary carry?
Dusa is argueably the hardest teamfight carry in the game together with void.
So yea as mentioned, she needs a ton of farm.

Dusa, the rapier queen.
+ Show Spoiler +
Baller king is obviously the rapier king

Hmm she just seemed like someone who shouldn't be the only carry and her focused dps is pretty low .-.

However I guess a single black hole makes her penta..


What if you rush Battle Fury on medusa?



On September 09 2012 11:14 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Shikyo playing Undying middle. This is going to be funny.

How'd you like it?

On September 09 2012 11:07 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
You were down five racks by the time Razor dropped the rapier (which he bought after you guys were down four racks). Ursa would have died to you trying to loot the rapier which is probably why he didn't go for it. He was oom and had like 10% health left while trying to heal off creeps. Of course, while all this was happening the creeps from middle and bottom were killing your towers/ancient so I doubt he really cares. Good thing you killed Puck while your ancient was dying.

Your storm spirit could have rushed Sheepstick instead of orchid by the way. Your furion should have also gotten one eventually also, but storm spirit actually had the farm to rush one relatively quickly and secure your team the win or at least make Ursa far less of a threat. You seem to notice when everyone plays poorly besides yourself.

Oh I assure you I can pretty clearly see when I play poorly
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 09 2012 03:19 GMT
#19591
"focused dps is pretty low"

there are so many things wrong with this statement....... too many
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 09 2012 03:22 GMT
#19592
On September 09 2012 12:19 NB wrote:
"focused dps is pretty low"

there are so many things wrong with this statement....... too many

How? o_O Focused is singletarget right? Hers is like lowest out of any carry(unless you build battle fury. Battle fury rush is my trademark medusa build btw)... Soo?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 09 2012 03:22 GMT
#19593
On September 09 2012 12:13 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 11:35 Unleashing wrote:
On September 09 2012 10:53 Shikyo wrote:
As I didn't really get a good answer in the chat channel, How good is Medusa currently in DotA? Any chance she'll become a viable pick in DotA2? Like from what I remember + from looking at her and comparing to current trends, she seems to fit quite well. Incredible laning, pushes well, get-out-of-jail-free card ult(just like Naga), really difficult to kill.. sustained AoE DPS with a high range(seems like a good secondary carry, maybe even Naga + Medusa).

Dusa?
Secondary carry?
Dusa is argueably the hardest teamfight carry in the game together with void.
So yea as mentioned, she needs a ton of farm.

Dusa, the rapier queen.
+ Show Spoiler +
Baller king is obviously the rapier king

Hmm she just seemed like someone who shouldn't be the only carry and her focused dps is pretty low .-.

However I guess a single black hole makes her penta..

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 11:14 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Shikyo playing Undying middle. This is going to be funny.

How'd you like it?


Reminds me why I stopped playing dota months ago. Luckily I don't run into such games much anymore because my MMR has increased I guess.

Top 3 moments of the game
  • Shikyo buys a courier and doesn't understand how it works.
  • Their TA gets ganked because out of position and Shikyo says "that is why you don't focus the tank noob."
  • Dire push mid and Radiant finally groups up and wins the game.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 03:26:08
September 09 2012 03:22 GMT
#19594
>Dusa
>Low DPS
In the same sentence

[image loading]


And why the fuck would you ever go battlefury on dusa? The fuck.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 09 2012 03:28 GMT
#19595
battle fury medusa... You like regen and you like damage =) What's not to like? It's like an offensive linkens~
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 09 2012 03:28 GMT
#19596
If you hadn't noticed yet Shikyo has no clue what he is talking about.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
September 09 2012 03:28 GMT
#19597
On September 09 2012 12:22 Unleashing wrote:
>Dusa
>Low DPS
In the same sentence

[image loading]


And why the fuck would you ever go battlefury on dusa? The fuck.


LOL that ZSMJ face!
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 09 2012 03:29 GMT
#19598
i assume his mmr is around average
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
September 09 2012 03:29 GMT
#19599
On September 09 2012 12:28 Shikyo wrote:
battle fury medusa... You like regen and you like damage =) What's not to like? It's like an offensive linkens~

No, it's nothing like an offensive linkens.
Linkens in itself can already be an offensive ietms just like mek can be used offensively.
And linkens is gotten to farm on medusa, she needs a lot of items.
But once she is farmed, you need to be ready to get that rapier, die, rebuy and get another rapier instantly.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 09 2012 03:32 GMT
#19600
You really shouldn't doubt that build... I actually once made a huge comeback after I farmed a battle fury, heart and 2 divine rapiers with medusa. That was in a game with solum actually(You might know, was B+ in SCBW iccup)
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