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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 22:52:58
September 08 2012 22:51 GMT
#19541
On September 09 2012 07:13 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 06:49 Slomo wrote:
Just randomed PA and realised that your illusions from the rune blink with you if you use shadow strike.
=
TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE DAMAGE
The dude who is only playing PA: How do you skill her?

Me? I actually just started trying AM. First game awful, can't do anything whole game despite 17min BF, die to every gank, can't do anything in teamfights, PA like 500 times better -.- Let's see if I can make him work at all. Oh yeah and AM farms slower than PA:

Depends. If it's AFK farm lane you probably don't even need Q or E early and can go with 1 in blink and rest stats(like 3 times), skipping ult at 6. Normally I guess it'll be QWQEQRQ and then you max W and stats a few times and then max E, but you can also get a few levels of stats before maxing W. . .

And yeah hopefully I'll figure something out but for now PA feels way stronger than AM.


1. How do you die to ganks as am but survive as PA
2. You cant really 5v5 team fight with am without stats or a manta style
3. 17 min battlefury is ok but its not the greatest
4. AM farming slower than PA made me chuckle. Try picking up a QB after the battlefury for massive damage increase
High Risk Low Reward
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 08 2012 22:53 GMT
#19542
in what mmr does pa farm faster then am
news to me
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 22:56:43
September 08 2012 22:55 GMT
#19543
On September 09 2012 07:53 FinestHour wrote:
in what mmr does pa farm faster then am
news to me


Mariana trench bracket
Jk.
But yea, AMs mobility is pretty unmatched. And his surviveability stays regardless of the enemy getting an mkb because his is anti-spell damage. Ontop of that his low BAT makes him scale pretty damn well,his overall DPS will be lower than a PAs if they are equal in farm and standing still whacking on something, but AM has more mobility and will have items faster than PA, making him a lot better.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
September 08 2012 22:57 GMT
#19544
Wow. I was in low priority matchmaking for 24h because of my crappy connexion, so I waited 2 days before coming back to the game... And I'm still in low priority oO How does this work ???
The legend of Darien lives on
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 23:16:17
September 08 2012 23:13 GMT
#19545
I'm guessing in pubs AM isn't nearly as good because apparently people know that he's really strong when he manages to get farmed up so they're going to 5man gank your jungle repeatedly and generally your team isn't going to be of much help.

I still managed to carry this game but the farm I got was just atrocious(276 at 45min) due to having to run away most of the game >_<

On September 09 2012 07:53 FinestHour wrote:
in what mmr does pa farm faster then am
news to me

Well she clears waves faster and clears jungle faster...Doesn't cover ground as quickly without any allies or such, though. (Assuming treads for AM and phase for PA though btw, or should AM go phase?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 23:17:33
September 08 2012 23:16 GMT
#19546
No, PA does not clear jungle faster than AM since AM moves a lot faster trough it than her.
Mobility is just as important as damage for farming fast.
AM also moves from jungle into lane and back into jungle a lot faster, his farming rate is factually faster than PAs.
This is something you'd be able to measure.
Give AM boots and BF and PA boots and BF and AM will earn gold faster.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 08 2012 23:17 GMT
#19547
On September 09 2012 08:16 Unleashing wrote:
No, PA does not clear jungle faster than AM since AM moves a lot faster trough it than her.
Mobility is just as important as damage for farming fast.

Well PA clears the whole jungle faster is the thing... That is until AM gets his manta or such, but with just a naked BF as damage items PA is faster.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 23:18:17
September 08 2012 23:17 GMT
#19548
On September 09 2012 08:17 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 08:16 Unleashing wrote:
No, PA does not clear jungle faster than AM since AM moves a lot faster trough it than her.
Mobility is just as important as damage for farming fast.

Well PA clears the whole jungle faster is the thing... That is until AM gets his manta or such, but with just a naked BF as damage items PA is faster.

No she isn't.
AM doesn't need manta to farm faster than a PA if he has his bfury.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 23:19:25
September 08 2012 23:18 GMT
#19549
1-1-1-1 PMS Bfury QB AM, max blink by 10/when you get Bfury.

works like a charm

AM farms way faster then PA because of Blink basically.
WriterXiao8~~
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 08 2012 23:19 GMT
#19550
AM farms way faster than anyone because of blink basically lol.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 23:28:38
September 08 2012 23:22 GMT
#19551
On September 09 2012 08:13 Shikyo wrote:
I'm guessing in pubs AM isn't nearly as good because apparently people know that he's really strong when he manages to get farmed up so they're going to 5man gank your jungle repeatedly and generally your team isn't going to be of much help.

I still managed to carry this game but the farm I got was just atrocious(276 at 45min) due to having to run away most of the game >_<

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 07:53 FinestHour wrote:
in what mmr does pa farm faster then am
news to me

Well she clears waves faster and clears jungle faster...Doesn't cover ground as quickly without any allies or such, though. (Assuming treads for AM and phase for PA though btw, or should AM go phase?


Treads is the standard on AM.

You also need to learn how to control the lane better. Autoing your own creeps so the lane doesn't push is very important as antimage.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
September 08 2012 23:27 GMT
#19552
On September 09 2012 08:22 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 08:13 Shikyo wrote:
I'm guessing in pubs AM isn't nearly as good because apparently people know that he's really strong when he manages to get farmed up so they're going to 5man gank your jungle repeatedly and generally your team isn't going to be of much help.

I still managed to carry this game but the farm I got was just atrocious(276 at 45min) due to having to run away most of the game >_<

On September 09 2012 07:53 FinestHour wrote:
in what mmr does pa farm faster then am
news to me

Well she clears waves faster and clears jungle faster...Doesn't cover ground as quickly without any allies or such, though. (Assuming treads for AM and phase for PA though btw, or should AM go phase?


Treads is the standard on AM.

Tranq can be an option too btw(sometimes it can be really good) but usually Treads.
WriterXiao8~~
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
September 08 2012 23:36 GMT
#19553
Maybe shikyo is pro enough to ward his entire jungle for sight, in which case PA actually would farm marginally faster than AM before AM gets a Manta. GET ON HIS LEVEL GUYS
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
September 08 2012 23:37 GMT
#19554
On September 09 2012 08:36 Kupon3ss wrote:
Maybe shikyo is pro enough to ward his entire jungle for sight, in which case PA actually would farm marginally faster than AM before AM gets a Manta. GET ON HIS LEVEL GUYS

No, because even then AM can jump up and down cliffs a lot faster and get from lane to jungle to ancients and back to lane a LOT faster than PA can dream to do it.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
September 08 2012 23:38 GMT
#19555
On September 09 2012 08:36 Kupon3ss wrote:
Maybe shikyo is pro enough to ward his entire jungle for sight, in which case PA actually would farm marginally faster than AM before AM gets a Manta. GET ON HIS LEVEL GUYS


Thats some next level shit. But seriously pick up a qb on am after you get your battlefury.
High Risk Low Reward
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
September 08 2012 23:38 GMT
#19556
On September 09 2012 07:51 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 07:13 Shikyo wrote:
On September 09 2012 06:49 Slomo wrote:
Just randomed PA and realised that your illusions from the rune blink with you if you use shadow strike.
=
TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE DAMAGE
The dude who is only playing PA: How do you skill her?

Me? I actually just started trying AM. First game awful, can't do anything whole game despite 17min BF, die to every gank, can't do anything in teamfights, PA like 500 times better -.- Let's see if I can make him work at all. Oh yeah and AM farms slower than PA:

Depends. If it's AFK farm lane you probably don't even need Q or E early and can go with 1 in blink and rest stats(like 3 times), skipping ult at 6. Normally I guess it'll be QWQEQRQ and then you max W and stats a few times and then max E, but you can also get a few levels of stats before maxing W. . .

And yeah hopefully I'll figure something out but for now PA feels way stronger than AM.


1. How do you die to ganks as am but survive as PA
2. You cant really 5v5 team fight with am without stats or a manta style
3. 17 min battlefury is ok but its not the greatest
4. AM farming slower than PA made me chuckle. Try picking up a QB after the battlefury for massive damage increase


May be PA is just his hero. We shall call him the PA man from now on.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 08 2012 23:39 GMT
#19557
You won the second game because their team has zero late game. I would suggest you get a BKB when their entire team can be countered by it though. Manta -> BKB instead of heart would have allowed you to kill their entire team since none of them can damage you anymore. They weren't pushing so you didn't need to be in a hurry. If they had any idea how bad their team comp was at late game ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
September 08 2012 23:41 GMT
#19558
On September 09 2012 08:38 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 07:51 Spicy_Curry wrote:
On September 09 2012 07:13 Shikyo wrote:
On September 09 2012 06:49 Slomo wrote:
Just randomed PA and realised that your illusions from the rune blink with you if you use shadow strike.
=
TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE DAMAGE
The dude who is only playing PA: How do you skill her?

Me? I actually just started trying AM. First game awful, can't do anything whole game despite 17min BF, die to every gank, can't do anything in teamfights, PA like 500 times better -.- Let's see if I can make him work at all. Oh yeah and AM farms slower than PA:

Depends. If it's AFK farm lane you probably don't even need Q or E early and can go with 1 in blink and rest stats(like 3 times), skipping ult at 6. Normally I guess it'll be QWQEQRQ and then you max W and stats a few times and then max E, but you can also get a few levels of stats before maxing W. . .

And yeah hopefully I'll figure something out but for now PA feels way stronger than AM.


1. How do you die to ganks as am but survive as PA
2. You cant really 5v5 team fight with am without stats or a manta style
3. 17 min battlefury is ok but its not the greatest
4. AM farming slower than PA made me chuckle. Try picking up a QB after the battlefury for massive damage increase


May be PA is just his hero. We shall call him the PA man from now on.


PAIKYO!
High Risk Low Reward
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
September 08 2012 23:46 GMT
#19559
On September 09 2012 08:41 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 08:38 BurningSera wrote:
On September 09 2012 07:51 Spicy_Curry wrote:
On September 09 2012 07:13 Shikyo wrote:
On September 09 2012 06:49 Slomo wrote:
Just randomed PA and realised that your illusions from the rune blink with you if you use shadow strike.
=
TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE DAMAGE
The dude who is only playing PA: How do you skill her?

Me? I actually just started trying AM. First game awful, can't do anything whole game despite 17min BF, die to every gank, can't do anything in teamfights, PA like 500 times better -.- Let's see if I can make him work at all. Oh yeah and AM farms slower than PA:

Depends. If it's AFK farm lane you probably don't even need Q or E early and can go with 1 in blink and rest stats(like 3 times), skipping ult at 6. Normally I guess it'll be QWQEQRQ and then you max W and stats a few times and then max E, but you can also get a few levels of stats before maxing W. . .

And yeah hopefully I'll figure something out but for now PA feels way stronger than AM.


1. How do you die to ganks as am but survive as PA
2. You cant really 5v5 team fight with am without stats or a manta style
3. 17 min battlefury is ok but its not the greatest
4. AM farming slower than PA made me chuckle. Try picking up a QB after the battlefury for massive damage increase


May be PA is just his hero. We shall call him the PA man from now on.


PAIKYO!


GO PAIKYO.

btw, the only truly manly way to play PA is rushing divine. 1 crit 1 hero.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 08 2012 23:46 GMT
#19560
hahhaha... i think if i start picking pudge, u guys might call me male hooker =)
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
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