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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 07 2012 19:31 GMT
#19381
On September 08 2012 03:58 Shikyo wrote:
Carrying TPs at all times is definitely what I should be doing, I think I'm missing out on some farm because of that. People screaming at me to PUSH THIS, GANK THIS, DEFEND THIS I definitely get all the time, and when I do find a quiet lane and freeze it near my tower usually that's the sign for my team to come to my lane and mass push it.

Even so, I feel like I get pretty decent farm, generally over 40 by 10m even if someone's trying to steal lasthits(Because they suck) and in good games it's usually above 200 by 30min. Not that close to that in the games where I have a terrible start, though. I guess I'll just try to farm better, take part in gank assists or small skirmishes near me, and largery ignore my team and look for opportunities to gank... And also should probably have better map awareness in order to avoid getting ganked. I wonder if I should ward myself if no one does that.. -.-


You should judge your farm by when you get your items namely your battlefury timing. If you get 40 cs in 10m but die you're actually worse off than if you only got 30 cs but played safely and didn't die. The numbers you're putting up can be very misleading.

If your teammates aren't buying wards then the chances of them counter ganking are also non-existent so there really isn't much point. It could be nice to know what rune the mid picks up and how cautious you need to be, but delaying your battlefury is going to increase your chances of losing even more. Just another reason you should play a carry with an escape mechanism though.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 07 2012 20:52 GMT
#19382
On September 08 2012 04:30 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 03:58 Shikyo wrote:
Carrying TPs at all times is definitely what I should be doing, I think I'm missing out on some farm because of that. People screaming at me to PUSH THIS, GANK THIS, DEFEND THIS I definitely get all the time, and when I do find a quiet lane and freeze it near my tower usually that's the sign for my team to come to my lane and mass push it.

Even so, I feel like I get pretty decent farm, generally over 40 by 10m even if someone's trying to steal lasthits(Because they suck) and in good games it's usually above 200 by 30min. Not that close to that in the games where I have a terrible start, though. I guess I'll just try to farm better, take part in gank assists or small skirmishes near me, and largery ignore my team and look for opportunities to gank... And also should probably have better map awareness in order to avoid getting ganked. I wonder if I should ward myself if no one does that.. -.-

When pubs scream at you to do things, mute them and then decide what's best. If you're a carry and they're asking you to defend a tower that's bound to fall, then ignore them. If you're a support and they're asking you to defend a tower that might survive if you were there, then go do it.

But don't instalock PA.. there are better heroes to pick from.

I like PA, though.

So I played a game where I tried to improve upon every point(Always carrying TPs, better map awareness and playing safe, better lasthitting...) I actually had a Lone Druid laning with me for some reason but luckily he kept autoattacking so I got lasthits pretty decently, had about 45 at 10min and got Battle Fury around 18min. After that I just ignored my team and farmed even though we were a little bit behind, only picking up free kills and KSing, and well.. I believe I managed to be a factor in this game:
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So I'd say that that was some good advice that definitely helped, thanks alot~!
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instantdry
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada308 Posts
September 07 2012 21:17 GMT
#19383
Is the Tiny + Centaur combo used in competitive dota? (or Tiny + Tide)
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
September 07 2012 21:18 GMT
#19384
On September 08 2012 06:17 instantdry wrote:
Is the Tiny + Centaur combo used in competitive dota? (or Tiny + Tide)

How about Tiny + Techies?
=Þ
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 07 2012 21:20 GMT
#19385
On September 08 2012 06:17 instantdry wrote:
Is the Tiny + Centaur combo used in competitive dota? (or Tiny + Tide)


Tiny + Wisp.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 07 2012 21:32 GMT
#19386
wisp techies........... oh boi
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Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
September 07 2012 21:37 GMT
#19387
Tiny Techies mid.

Toss + Suicide = FIRST BLOOD.
Skol
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 07 2012 21:52 GMT
#19388
just noticed that article about china winning in the startup menu, new aegis to be added in game next patch?
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
September 07 2012 21:53 GMT
#19389
Yep, was hoping for patch to be yesterday though. Guess there won't be one this week
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 07 2012 21:57 GMT
#19390


o mer garddddddddddd.... I am in tears
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Yergidy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2107 Posts
September 07 2012 22:10 GMT
#19391
I want my damn international keys to turn into normal keys already ffs!
One bright day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight; Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 07 2012 22:29 GMT
#19392
http://d2l.evilgeniuses.net/

hmmm......... non-asian... hmmmmmm
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N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
September 07 2012 22:43 GMT
#19393
On September 08 2012 07:29 NB wrote:
http://d2l.evilgeniuses.net/

hmmm......... non-asian... hmmmmmm



Hmmm some of the best non asian teams playing in a tournament I can watch for free. Shucks man, sure does suck.......

>.>
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
September 07 2012 22:48 GMT
#19394
On September 08 2012 07:43 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 07:29 NB wrote:
http://d2l.evilgeniuses.net/

hmmm......... non-asian... hmmmmmm



Hmmm some of the best non asian teams playing in a tournament I can watch for free. Shucks man, sure does suck.......

>.>



looks sick, can't wait! Woot.
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ZaaaaaM
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1828 Posts
September 07 2012 22:49 GMT
#19395
Started Dota2 seriously about a week ago, played like 15 matches in total the last 4 months. Coming from HoN it felt a bit clunky, but the bigger community and client made me switch. Now I havent played SC2 for a week, just hopped on for a game to take a break from dota 2 and it was so awesome. Everything moves so smooth in sc2 compared to dota 2. It really is my biggest complain about dota 2. In hon/sc2 it feels so much better to just move around...
no dude, the question
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 22:52:23
September 07 2012 22:50 GMT
#19396
too much USA if you compare the actually ratio of the NA and EU scene. It would be nice if they do run an open bracket and get 1 or 2 teams in for seeding however. I would like to see some rising stars like fnatic or WhA to compete and see how they do. Also it would be interesting how mouz line up would be in this tournament and who EG will get to cast it. Afaik this gona be run on twitch and tobi isnt allowed to be casting on twitch.


On September 08 2012 07:49 ZaaaaaM wrote:
Started Dota2 seriously about a week ago, played like 15 matches in total the last 4 months. Coming from HoN it felt a bit clunky, but the bigger community and client made me switch. Now I havent played SC2 for a week, just hopped on for a game to take a break from dota 2 and it was so awesome. Everything moves so smooth in sc2 compared to dota 2. It really is my biggest complain about dota 2. In hon/sc2 it feels so much better to just move around...


its the mechanic of the game to have unique turning rate and attack angle for each different units. It has always been like this since war3 despite using war3 engine(blizzard created). A lot of people agree that it does add more depth into the game, just like how you play BW and know the acceleration of shuttle/dropships.
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
September 07 2012 22:53 GMT
#19397
On September 08 2012 07:49 ZaaaaaM wrote:
Started Dota2 seriously about a week ago, played like 15 matches in total the last 4 months. Coming from HoN it felt a bit clunky, but the bigger community and client made me switch. Now I havent played SC2 for a week, just hopped on for a game to take a break from dota 2 and it was so awesome. Everything moves so smooth in sc2 compared to dota 2. It really is my biggest complain about dota 2. In hon/sc2 it feels so much better to just move around...


i agree some things could use finesse but you have to remember some of the character movements (turning, attacking etc.) are purposefully delayed, animated for balance issues. HoN was really broken with the instant turn etc., just look at flint vs sniper. You could never kite and destroy with sniper like you can on flint, and flint was 10000x better than sniper for that reason alone.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
September 07 2012 23:05 GMT
#19398
A friend dragged me to LoL for a week or so, and the first game of dota 2 after that little break did feel slightly....off I guess. But after 2-3 games it just felt perfectly right to play my wizards. God damn I love me some invoker/rubick, to the point where I can last hit and animation cancel without even looking at the model cause the timing is just so ingrained.

It's like goon micro I guess, or that stupid riding a bike thing. Once you REALLY know how to do it, you'll never forget.
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
September 07 2012 23:37 GMT
#19399
Sometimes i forget that Dota2 is still in Beta. Take a moment to think about that.
High Risk Low Reward
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 23:39:38
September 07 2012 23:37 GMT
#19400
On September 08 2012 08:05 N3rV[Green] wrote:
A friend dragged me to LoL for a week or so, and the first game of dota 2 after that little break did feel slightly....off I guess. But after 2-3 games it just felt perfectly right to play my wizards. God damn I love me some invoker/rubick, to the point where I can last hit and animation cancel without even looking at the model cause the timing is just so ingrained.

It's like goon micro I guess, or that stupid riding a bike thing. Once you REALLY know how to do it, you'll never forget.


Oh god goon micro was so horrid at times, especially haivng to avod using stop otherwise they can get stuck and bug out.

Invoker is such a blast, gotta get down the muscle memory of the skills again. Rubrick is one of the heroes I have been wanting to play more with but I usually stick to just SD so can't always use him.

On September 08 2012 08:37 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Sometimes i forget that Dota2 is still in Beta. Take a moment to think about that.


For some issues (like server, graphical, etc) the beta reference can be used. But DotA 2 being glossed over as just being in beta does not really work anymore.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
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