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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
August 07 2012 12:40 GMT
#16081
Force staff is also an option.
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 12:44:51
August 07 2012 12:42 GMT
#16082
Midas
Boots
Deso
Power treads
Deadalus
.

That's my pub build when I pick furion. 2 hit kills on everyone
Corr
Profile Joined January 2009
Denmark796 Posts
August 07 2012 13:03 GMT
#16083
I completely neglected Medallion in my post as I rarely play Furion anymore. It's a great gap-closer in terms of maintaining your relevance in teamfights when you're going almost straight for hex for instance.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
August 07 2012 13:10 GMT
#16084
Urn's also another item that just came to mind, particularly if you're going a push heavy strat and there's no one else that can carry it.
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Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 13:48:30
August 07 2012 13:44 GMT
#16085
Aghs is quite strong if the enemy has strong push, minions in particular. Otherwise it's not worth it, but in that situation it's nice if you can easily wipe out/delay a push while pushing another lane yourself.

I'm also a fan of Necro3 on him, because I like being annoying as fuck.
I can't sing and I can't dance, but still I know how to clap my hands.
Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3821 Posts
August 07 2012 15:44 GMT
#16086
What can I do to improve as a dota player? In SC2 it's basically watch replays from better players, watch my own replays or at least understand what caused me to lose/become aware of my flaws and work on it, and play a ton. What about dota? Is it the same? If yes, where do I find replays from the best players?
For the Swarm!
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
August 07 2012 15:46 GMT
#16087
just play a lot and watch pro player streams
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 07 2012 15:47 GMT
#16088
a good furion in competitive games imo should get items as follow:

RoB-> disassemble into URN -> gank gank gank -> medalion rosh -> support pusher(mek necro scepter sheep) OR DPS(deso buriza mkb)
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 07 2012 15:49 GMT
#16089
More than replays it's just thinking why you died during respawn time. Watch tournament streams to learn what's the best way to play the game but a lot of improving in dota is just seeing what you did wrong and avoiding it next time. You need to feel out how far you can go with a hero/against a hero. After a year of playing you will feel a bad player from the way he moves in a lane and be much more aggressive towards him and be passive against a good player on hero that should win against you, waiting for a mistake on his side to punish him.

In short: Mass gaming and thinking about your mistakes DURING the games(you have the time and info to do so in dota as opposed to sc2)
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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
August 07 2012 15:49 GMT
#16090
every competitive game I've seen furions get midas, sometimes as first item sometimes a bit later but they always get it
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 07 2012 15:56 GMT
#16091
On August 08 2012 00:44 Raidern wrote:
What can I do to improve as a dota player? In SC2 it's basically watch replays from better players, watch my own replays or at least understand what caused me to lose/become aware of my flaws and work on it, and play a ton. What about dota? Is it the same? If yes, where do I find replays from the best players?

you need experience. You need to die to each situation, each heroes a thousand times just to learn and fixing your nature habit. Watching dendi imo never helps. You need to choose on 'what to watch' and doing that requiring you to understand what is good and what is bad. This is why russian dota is so broken simply bc in their system, they thought having kills is the only way to win at computergames. They will watch dendi get dagon 5 on puck and copy it blindly without knowing/caring about the basic information.

My suggestion is watching singsing and keep in mind on his camera and mouse movement as well as his hero positioning. you need to time these with the clock: every 2 mins you need to check rune, every 40 second you want to be ready to stack a neutral camp at 51 (demon does this all the time lol), whats the pull timing, whats the obs wards expiring timing. And most important of all: What items enemy have, unlike LoL, you actually need to click on the enemy hero to see what do they have in their pocket and this is a crucial skill to have. An enigma/sk with dagger or just simply a mek should affect your decision making a lot.

Overall: play more.
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N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 16:33:06
August 07 2012 16:19 GMT
#16092
Guys, Singsing streaming a scrim vs M5 with LD as a standin.

This should be interesting.
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 16:22:06
August 07 2012 16:20 GMT
#16093
On August 08 2012 01:19 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Guys, Singsing streaming a scrim vs M5 with loda as a standin.

This should be interesting.


With skype audio !

On August 08 2012 00:56 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 00:44 Raidern wrote:
What can I do to improve as a dota player? In SC2 it's basically watch replays from better players, watch my own replays or at least understand what caused me to lose/become aware of my flaws and work on it, and play a ton. What about dota? Is it the same? If yes, where do I find replays from the best players?

you need experience. You need to die to each situation, each heroes a thousand times just to learn and fixing your nature habit. Watching dendi imo never helps. You need to choose on 'what to watch' and doing that requiring you to understand what is good and what is bad. This is why russian dota is so broken simply bc in their system, they thought having kills is the only way to win at computergames. They will watch dendi get dagon 5 on puck and copy it blindly without knowing/caring about the basic information.

My suggestion is watching singsing and keep in mind on his camera and mouse movement as well as his hero positioning. you need to time these with the clock: every 2 mins you need to check rune, every 40 second you want to be ready to stack a neutral camp at 51 (demon does this all the time lol), whats the pull timing, whats the obs wards expiring timing. And most important of all: What items enemy have, unlike LoL, you actually need to click on the enemy hero to see what do they have in their pocket and this is a crucial skill to have. An enigma/sk with dagger or just simply a mek should affect your decision making a lot.

Overall: play more.


Watch Synderen stream if you want to learn. Most of the time SingSing does random stuff, he admitted that most of the builds that he does during his stream are bad.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
August 07 2012 16:21 GMT
#16094
On August 08 2012 01:19 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Guys, Singsing streaming a scrim vs M5 with loda as a standin.

This should be interesting.


LD the commentator, not Loda the Zenith player

On August 08 2012 00:56 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 00:44 Raidern wrote:
What can I do to improve as a dota player? In SC2 it's basically watch replays from better players, watch my own replays or at least understand what caused me to lose/become aware of my flaws and work on it, and play a ton. What about dota? Is it the same? If yes, where do I find replays from the best players?

My suggestion is watching singsing and keep in mind on his camera and mouse movement as well as his hero positioning. you need to time these with the clock: every 2 mins you need to check rune, every 40 second you want to be ready to stack a neutral camp at 51 (demon does this all the time lol), whats the pull timing, whats the obs wards expiring timing. And most important of all: What items enemy have, unlike LoL, you actually need to click on the enemy hero to see what do they have in their pocket and this is a crucial skill to have. An enigma/sk with dagger or just simply a mek should affect your decision making a lot..


good timing since he's streaming a scrim, so serious doto!

http://www.own3d.tv/mousesports/live/51114
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N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
August 07 2012 16:33 GMT
#16095
Sorry I just woke up and smoked my morning bowl, I knew it was LD, guess I was just thinking about loda or something lol

is fixed now
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 16:55:31
August 07 2012 16:48 GMT
#16096
synderen stream isnt for noob. its a very different type of learning experience since you will care more about teamwork and how to coordinate, communicate in a team of 5 people. Synderen doesnt has that impressive of personal skill as a player so noob could learn from him like singsing. A good thing about singsing is that the guy learned everything from pub games. His camera, his mouse movement actually make sense and good for a low tier to medium range players to learn from.

edit: just realize how fucked up grammatically this post was... not gona fix it just bc i cant
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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
August 07 2012 16:59 GMT
#16097
if you want to see impressive individual skill you should watch dendi's stream when he's on, he fools around a bit less than singsing
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
August 07 2012 17:08 GMT
#16098
You should watch Blitz if you want to see some individual skill, he will answer questions too (he does read the chat, Both Dendi and SingSing in general troll a lot more) he also almost never trolls around and will try to win every game with legit builds, Blitz also streams a FUCKTON so there are many oppertunities to tune into him, Synderen is not going to stream until TI2 has ended(he said this in a video, where they don't want to reveal any strategies and stuff).

Also I can't remember Furions on competitive games who don't go for Midas(even a late Midas, like Meka>Midas, or a 11-15min Midas even). I almost always see it these days.
WriterXiao8~~
Xism
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 17:53:32
August 07 2012 17:52 GMT
#16099
On August 08 2012 02:08 Kipsate wrote:
You should watch Blitz if you want to see some individual skill, he will answer questions too (he does read the chat, Both Dendi and SingSing in general troll a lot more) he also almost never trolls around and will try to win every game with legit builds, Blitz also streams a FUCKTON so there are many oppertunities to tune into him, Synderen is not going to stream until TI2 has ended(he said this in a video, where they don't want to reveal any strategies and stuff).

Also I can't remember Furions on competitive games who don't go for Midas(even a late Midas, like Meka>Midas, or a 11-15min Midas even). I almost always see it these days.


I haven't watched a lot of Blitz' stream, but I watched him for a little more than an hour today, and to be honest he made a lot (considering the fact that he is a pro player) of weird/stupid choices, imo. It might have been the fact that he had been up all night I guess, I dunno. But he made weird choices, and I'm not talking about trolling choices like Dendi or Singsing. However I have watched him stream other times where he was a lot better, so I guess it was just the no-sleep factor. I, for one, rate Synderens and Dendis streams above his for education.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 07 2012 18:01 GMT
#16100
On August 08 2012 02:08 Kipsate wrote:
You should watch Blitz if you want to see some individual skill, he will answer questions too (he does read the chat, Both Dendi and SingSing in general troll a lot more) he also almost never trolls around and will try to win every game with legit builds, Blitz also streams a FUCKTON so there are many oppertunities to tune into him, Synderen is not going to stream until TI2 has ended(he said this in a video, where they don't want to reveal any strategies and stuff).

Also I can't remember Furions on competitive games who don't go for Midas(even a late Midas, like Meka>Midas, or a 11-15min Midas even). I almost always see it these days.

Long lane furion tend to build midas less tha the others .. I think.
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