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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
September 17 2014 23:24 GMT
#130381
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7043 Posts
September 17 2014 23:25 GMT
#130382
On September 18 2014 08:22 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 08:16 Acritter wrote:
He's constantly spamming all of his spells. It does seem a little excessive, though. There's got to be a sweet spot between RoA and Infinite Mana.


Maybe Treads/Bottle/RoA into Orchid?

Like I get that your mana regen kinda sucks pre-Orchid but Arcane's active is superfluous as soon as Orchid finishes.


treads bottle and wand should be enough until you get your orchid i think
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 17 2014 23:25 GMT
#130383
On September 18 2014 08:23 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 08:20 Acritter wrote:
Honestly, activity is directly opposed to quality. This site, for better or for worse, has developed an elitist mindset. The big idea here is really high-quality posts. Look at our articles. Look at the blue strategy posts. Look at the ban reasons. This is not the environment where a lot of people will make random threads about whatever's on their mind. This thread is the only place on this site where activity eclipses quality.* It's not like you can have everyone making deep, in-depth posts every minute of the day.

So what do we value more?

*okay there are other places


Also there are a whole hell of a lot of posts that tick all the 'quality' boxes while being completely terrible.

What do you mean by that? What are the "quality boxes?" Do you have an example of that kind of post?

I'm just not on the same page as you here.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
September 17 2014 23:26 GMT
#130384
orchid weaver? wtf?

whatever not as bad as my mask of madness build.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 17 2014 23:27 GMT
#130385
On September 18 2014 08:26 Kuroeeah wrote:
orchid weaver? wtf?

whatever not as bad as my mask of madness build.

Orchid Weaver can work, although I'm not sure who mentioned that.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
September 17 2014 23:28 GMT
#130386
So within a day we've gone from GD maybe being locked to LD being shut down. Well done guys.

Personally I like LD, I only visit TLprime for blogs these days. I also like GD but hey.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
September 17 2014 23:28 GMT
#130387
Maybe. Maybe even Medallion to improve the harass from Flak?

I think the longer we discuss this the more likely we are to decide that Arcane Mek is the correct build.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 17 2014 23:29 GMT
#130388
It probably is, you know. Gyro is still really strong in the first 10 minutes of the game, and falls off after that. Arcane Mek is exactly what he needs to stay relevant. You definitely need a team to support him, though. He can clear waves well and teamfight like a champ, but he doesn't kill towers too fast.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
September 17 2014 23:31 GMT
#130389
On September 18 2014 08:25 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 08:23 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On September 18 2014 08:20 Acritter wrote:
Honestly, activity is directly opposed to quality. This site, for better or for worse, has developed an elitist mindset. The big idea here is really high-quality posts. Look at our articles. Look at the blue strategy posts. Look at the ban reasons. This is not the environment where a lot of people will make random threads about whatever's on their mind. This thread is the only place on this site where activity eclipses quality.* It's not like you can have everyone making deep, in-depth posts every minute of the day.

So what do we value more?

*okay there are other places


Also there are a whole hell of a lot of posts that tick all the 'quality' boxes while being completely terrible.

What do you mean by that? What are the "quality boxes?" Do you have an example of that kind of post?

I'm just not on the same page as you here.

hes right
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 17 2014 23:33 GMT
#130390
Thinking about it, the problem with Gyro is that his skills have zero synergy. Barrage wants them to be close. Missile wants them to run. Flak wants you to build damage. Ult is totally generic and could go on any hero. There's a reason that back when he was good, it was legitimate to build him 1-0-4-1. I think some Chinese players even built him 0-0-4-1.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
September 17 2014 23:33 GMT
#130391
On September 18 2014 08:25 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 08:23 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On September 18 2014 08:20 Acritter wrote:
Honestly, activity is directly opposed to quality. This site, for better or for worse, has developed an elitist mindset. The big idea here is really high-quality posts. Look at our articles. Look at the blue strategy posts. Look at the ban reasons. This is not the environment where a lot of people will make random threads about whatever's on their mind. This thread is the only place on this site where activity eclipses quality.* It's not like you can have everyone making deep, in-depth posts every minute of the day.

So what do we value more?

*okay there are other places


Also there are a whole hell of a lot of posts that tick all the 'quality' boxes while being completely terrible.

What do you mean by that? What are the "quality boxes?" Do you have an example of that kind of post?

I'm just not on the same page as you here.


I mean posts that are grammatically correct, sincere, long, perhaps the product of some sort of thought, that are also in most respects really stupid or unnecessary.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 17 2014 23:34 GMT
#130392
On September 18 2014 08:33 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 08:25 Acritter wrote:
On September 18 2014 08:23 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On September 18 2014 08:20 Acritter wrote:
Honestly, activity is directly opposed to quality. This site, for better or for worse, has developed an elitist mindset. The big idea here is really high-quality posts. Look at our articles. Look at the blue strategy posts. Look at the ban reasons. This is not the environment where a lot of people will make random threads about whatever's on their mind. This thread is the only place on this site where activity eclipses quality.* It's not like you can have everyone making deep, in-depth posts every minute of the day.

So what do we value more?

*okay there are other places


Also there are a whole hell of a lot of posts that tick all the 'quality' boxes while being completely terrible.

What do you mean by that? What are the "quality boxes?" Do you have an example of that kind of post?

I'm just not on the same page as you here.


I mean posts that are grammatically correct, sincere, long, perhaps the product of some sort of thought, that are also in most respects really stupid or unnecessary.

Oh.

We're talking about the MMR post, aren't we.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 17 2014 23:37 GMT
#130393
On September 18 2014 08:33 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 08:25 Acritter wrote:
On September 18 2014 08:23 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On September 18 2014 08:20 Acritter wrote:
Honestly, activity is directly opposed to quality. This site, for better or for worse, has developed an elitist mindset. The big idea here is really high-quality posts. Look at our articles. Look at the blue strategy posts. Look at the ban reasons. This is not the environment where a lot of people will make random threads about whatever's on their mind. This thread is the only place on this site where activity eclipses quality.* It's not like you can have everyone making deep, in-depth posts every minute of the day.

So what do we value more?

*okay there are other places


Also there are a whole hell of a lot of posts that tick all the 'quality' boxes while being completely terrible.

What do you mean by that? What are the "quality boxes?" Do you have an example of that kind of post?

I'm just not on the same page as you here.


I mean posts that are grammatically correct, sincere, long, perhaps the product of some sort of thought, that are also in most respects really stupid or unnecessary.

Aren't those just called "walls of text".
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
September 17 2014 23:38 GMT
#130394
On September 18 2014 08:33 Acritter wrote:
Thinking about it, the problem with Gyro is that his skills have zero synergy. Barrage wants them to be close. Missile wants them to run. Flak wants you to build damage. Ult is totally generic and could go on any hero. There's a reason that back when he was good, it was legitimate to build him 1-0-4-1. I think some Chinese players even built him 0-0-4-1.

He's also got 'a very cool Agh's upgrade that does almost nothing for him.

If he had more mobility, it'd be useful while you ratted, but he doesn't have mobility. If he's going to be missing fights because he's farming, then it's quite good because it lets him contribute - but if he's going to miss fights it's because he needs damage and Agh's doesn't help with that. If he's going to build as a caster, then the stats on Agh's are pretty useful, except as a caster he's gonna be in the middle of the fight and the extra range is useless.

I can see, though, how there's some synergy with his stuff. Barrage wants someone to be close; if you run, then Missile screws you. If you stick around to dodge the missile, then you get wrecked by Barrage damage. It just doesn't quite come together.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
September 17 2014 23:40 GMT
#130395
On September 18 2014 08:34 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 08:33 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On September 18 2014 08:25 Acritter wrote:
On September 18 2014 08:23 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On September 18 2014 08:20 Acritter wrote:
Honestly, activity is directly opposed to quality. This site, for better or for worse, has developed an elitist mindset. The big idea here is really high-quality posts. Look at our articles. Look at the blue strategy posts. Look at the ban reasons. This is not the environment where a lot of people will make random threads about whatever's on their mind. This thread is the only place on this site where activity eclipses quality.* It's not like you can have everyone making deep, in-depth posts every minute of the day.

So what do we value more?

*okay there are other places


Also there are a whole hell of a lot of posts that tick all the 'quality' boxes while being completely terrible.

What do you mean by that? What are the "quality boxes?" Do you have an example of that kind of post?

I'm just not on the same page as you here.


I mean posts that are grammatically correct, sincere, long, perhaps the product of some sort of thought, that are also in most respects really stupid or unnecessary.

Oh.

We're talking about the MMR post, aren't we.

Nope! Haven't read it and don't care enough to. Mostly I was thinking of posts every time there's some sort of drama.

And also the people who post things like "FAREWELL O CAPTAIN OF MY HEART YOUR DEPARTURE REDUCES ME TO TEARS AND LEAVES A GAPING VOID IN MY SOUL WHICH CAN NEVER BE FILLED" any time a player retires.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 17 2014 23:42 GMT
#130396
Irish, you need to show passion for your given Esport. You need to be sad about players retiring in a country you have never been to and that speak a language you don't understand. Otherwise you are just a husk.

Unless the player is from your home country. Then you just say "good, he was never going to make it anyways. Not enough passion."
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
September 17 2014 23:45 GMT
#130397
Oh. Oops!

Farewell, Ryan Lockwood, O captain of my heart! Your decision to stream bronze SC2 instead of Goldeneye 64 reduces me to tears and leaves a gaping void in my soul which can never be filled!

Wait, shit, he's from the US. Whatever, he was never gonna make it as a speedrunner anyway. Not enough passion.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 17 2014 23:47 GMT
#130398
Literally anything that lets your opponent pick their poison is doomed to fail regardless of the game, because they're always going to minimize its effects. Only exception is if the abilities are so overpowered that they're fucked either way. Good example of the useless kind: Bloodseeker. Good example of the broken kind: Medusa ult (rest of the hero is kind of trashcan though).

The good heroes are the ones that have independently strong abilities that can all work together to a greater end. Take Sven, for example. Storm Bolt is always going to be good. It's an AOE stun. Great Cleave is kind of nice, you can use it to farm quicker. Warcry has pretty nice armor, and movespeed is always great. His ult is more damage. What can go wrong? And then put them all together, and you have an extremely meaty hero who can stun a target, move in quickly, and then destroy their health.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 17 2014 23:48 GMT
#130399
Who the fuck is Ryan Lockwood?
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-17 23:50:06
September 17 2014 23:49 GMT
#130400
Holy god what a video. He is a legend in his own time. Fucking CLLLLUUUUUTTTTTCHHHHHHHH.

On September 18 2014 08:48 Acritter wrote:
Who the fuck is Ryan Lockwood?


Click on the video and understand greatness in our time.
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