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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
August 25 2014 21:23 GMT
#125301
I don't really think ongamers provided anything to me as a viewer other than Cyborgmatt's tournament interviews. They were like the only site that was on location in all the important events, and the players seemed to be willing to talk with Matt as they often gave pretty decent answers to questions. If they go down, hopefully someone else will step up to do interviews at tournaments at least.
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
August 25 2014 21:23 GMT
#125302
On August 26 2014 06:16 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 06:11 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On August 26 2014 06:06 Plansix wrote:
Competition between broadcast personalities has always been a thing in every entertainment industry. That gets filed under the "life is hard, get a helmet" category.

And folks, Matt is going on vacation for a month. I don't think he is leaving forever, or he might look to have a different role.


Tobi and v1lat aren't in competition, though. They serve different markets. Just pure vindictiveness.

Well, StarLadder (V1lat by extension) replaced joinDOTA with BTS a couple seasons ago and Tobi was not happy about that. Seemed like he found out when the announcement was made. There's plenty of dirty laundry in the scene. You got some personal beef with Tobi, tough luck, but he's by no means the only bad guy and the rest saints, as you're making it look like.

I remember the season when Joindota still was casting Starladder. Starladder had got shit on badly because Tobi was taking other gigs for Joindota and left most of the starladder season without any English cast. It was really annoying. The next season Starladder replaced Joindota with BTS, who covered all games just to mention. So yeah Tobi just being a cunt but nothing new since I heard what he did with his cocaster at TI2.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 25 2014 21:24 GMT
#125303
Okay, why DO people buy Bloodstone on Krob? Can't you get sufficient bulk and regen just from Eul's/Drums into some combination of Scythe/Heart/Shiva's? Is the respawn timer and heal-on-death really that good? Or is it just a cost/effect ratio, with the combined bulk and regen making up for the other suboptimal bits and pieces?
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 25 2014 21:26 GMT
#125304
On August 26 2014 06:16 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 06:11 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On August 26 2014 06:06 Plansix wrote:
Competition between broadcast personalities has always been a thing in every entertainment industry. That gets filed under the "life is hard, get a helmet" category.

And folks, Matt is going on vacation for a month. I don't think he is leaving forever, or he might look to have a different role.


Tobi and v1lat aren't in competition, though. They serve different markets. Just pure vindictiveness.

Well, StarLadder (V1lat by extension) replaced joinDOTA with BTS a couple seasons ago and Tobi was not happy about that. Seemed like he found out when the announcement was made. There's plenty of dirty laundry in the scene. You got some personal beef with Tobi, tough luck, but he's by no means the only bad guy and the rest saints, as you're making it look like.


Definitely not saying there aren't other shady folk in the scene. There totally are.

The switch from jD to BTS was because v1lat and the other admins felt that jD had violated their contract (the letter or spirit, I don't know). jD was supposed to provide match coverage, meaning Tobi was, because he's a draw and that was a way to get more viewers to some of the less-obvious matches. Instead, jD farmed a lot of those matches out, especially to Sheever, and didn't really exert themselves promoting the broadcasts. Viewership was down from what was expected. Did it suck for jD? Yeah, but it was a business decision. Keeping v1lat out of ESL was personal.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 25 2014 21:27 GMT
#125305
On August 26 2014 06:24 Acritter wrote:
Okay, why DO people buy Bloodstone on Krob? Can't you get sufficient bulk and regen just from Eul's/Drums into some combination of Scythe/Heart/Shiva's? Is the respawn timer and heal-on-death really that good? Or is it just a cost/effect ratio, with the combined bulk and regen making up for the other suboptimal bits and pieces?

Why over complicate this so much lol. People are dumb.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 25 2014 21:27 GMT
#125306
On August 26 2014 06:24 Acritter wrote:
Okay, why DO people buy Bloodstone on Krob? Can't you get sufficient bulk and regen just from Eul's/Drums into some combination of Scythe/Heart/Shiva's? Is the respawn timer and heal-on-death really that good? Or is it just a cost/effect ratio, with the combined bulk and regen making up for the other suboptimal bits and pieces?

I ask myself this every day. I just go euls first and then go into Bloodstone if I feel its necessary(aka, if I am up 4 towers). The only thing it goes for you is make sure you never need to leave the map.

But yeah, I don't get it. I would rather have a BKB, Shivas, Heart, anything.

PS: I also don't think drums are worth it(I used to). If you are afraid of bust, just buy a bracer and see how that works for you.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
August 25 2014 21:28 GMT
#125307
On August 26 2014 06:24 Acritter wrote:
Okay, why DO people buy Bloodstone on Krob? Can't you get sufficient bulk and regen just from Eul's/Drums into some combination of Scythe/Heart/Shiva's? Is the respawn timer and heal-on-death really that good? Or is it just a cost/effect ratio, with the combined bulk and regen making up for the other suboptimal bits and pieces?

i guess the best thing about it is the respawn timer. but you could argue that it doesnt matter that much since your ultimate should be on cd at that point
i think the other items are a better option
FTD
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 25 2014 21:28 GMT
#125308
On August 26 2014 06:27 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 06:24 Acritter wrote:
Okay, why DO people buy Bloodstone on Krob? Can't you get sufficient bulk and regen just from Eul's/Drums into some combination of Scythe/Heart/Shiva's? Is the respawn timer and heal-on-death really that good? Or is it just a cost/effect ratio, with the combined bulk and regen making up for the other suboptimal bits and pieces?

Why over complicate this so much lol. People are dumb.

Dude, qojqva just did it in a professional match. I'm not about to call him bad at this game.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 25 2014 21:28 GMT
#125309
It is also a business decision from toby not to work with people that don't work with him
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 25 2014 21:29 GMT
#125310
Also, related to the same match:

"K! KKK! KKK!"
-Tobi

Clearly he supports the KKK.

+ Show Spoiler +
/s
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
August 25 2014 21:30 GMT
#125311
On August 26 2014 06:28 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 06:27 Qbek wrote:
On August 26 2014 06:24 Acritter wrote:
Okay, why DO people buy Bloodstone on Krob? Can't you get sufficient bulk and regen just from Eul's/Drums into some combination of Scythe/Heart/Shiva's? Is the respawn timer and heal-on-death really that good? Or is it just a cost/effect ratio, with the combined bulk and regen making up for the other suboptimal bits and pieces?

Why over complicate this so much lol. People are dumb.

Dude, qojqva just did it in a professional match. I'm not about to call him bad at this game.

his itembuild is so terrible
FTD
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 25 2014 21:30 GMT
#125312
On August 26 2014 06:28 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 06:27 Qbek wrote:
On August 26 2014 06:24 Acritter wrote:
Okay, why DO people buy Bloodstone on Krob? Can't you get sufficient bulk and regen just from Eul's/Drums into some combination of Scythe/Heart/Shiva's? Is the respawn timer and heal-on-death really that good? Or is it just a cost/effect ratio, with the combined bulk and regen making up for the other suboptimal bits and pieces?

Why over complicate this so much lol. People are dumb.

Dude, qojqva just did it in a professional match. I'm not about to call him bad at this game.

Maybe he just likes to get bloodstone from time to time, I sometimes like to listen to hard trance, but most of the time i listen to metal
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 25 2014 21:30 GMT
#125313
On August 26 2014 06:30 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 06:28 Acritter wrote:
On August 26 2014 06:27 Qbek wrote:
On August 26 2014 06:24 Acritter wrote:
Okay, why DO people buy Bloodstone on Krob? Can't you get sufficient bulk and regen just from Eul's/Drums into some combination of Scythe/Heart/Shiva's? Is the respawn timer and heal-on-death really that good? Or is it just a cost/effect ratio, with the combined bulk and regen making up for the other suboptimal bits and pieces?

Why over complicate this so much lol. People are dumb.

Dude, qojqva just did it in a professional match. I'm not about to call him bad at this game.

his itembuild is so terrible

So you're saying he's just so much better at the game than Empire that he can get away with it?
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 25 2014 21:31 GMT
#125314
I really don't get how all you people play Krob if euls is enough mana regen for you. Crypt Swarm is a 4 second cooldown spell and you have to use it to speed up your farm in jungle and on lane.

Also, upheaval is the real deal.

super gg
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-25 21:34:55
August 25 2014 21:31 GMT
#125315
On August 26 2014 06:28 Yoshi- wrote:
It is also a business decision from toby not to work with people that don't work with him

Not really a business decision. Just petty "revenge". Tobi was casting Defense and Defense cups instead of Starladder and outsourced stuff to Sheever and friends. Starladder would have provided a good coverage for ESL One. They actually have a studio and a lot of casters whereas Versuta is limited in his capabilites. You can't tell me that this was a business decision. At least it wasnt based on any logical thinking.

Thread from 39 weeks ago: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-general/452651-starladder-viii-announced
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-25 21:32:34
August 25 2014 21:32 GMT
#125316
On August 26 2014 06:28 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 06:27 Qbek wrote:
On August 26 2014 06:24 Acritter wrote:
Okay, why DO people buy Bloodstone on Krob? Can't you get sufficient bulk and regen just from Eul's/Drums into some combination of Scythe/Heart/Shiva's? Is the respawn timer and heal-on-death really that good? Or is it just a cost/effect ratio, with the combined bulk and regen making up for the other suboptimal bits and pieces?

Why over complicate this so much lol. People are dumb.

Dude, qojqva just did it in a professional match. I'm not about to call him bad at this game.

He did that in TI and I thought it was weird then too. I don't often criticize pros on their item builds, but I think there are better items unless he has some crazy thing with the massive heal burst.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 25 2014 21:32 GMT
#125317
On August 26 2014 06:24 Acritter wrote:
Okay, why DO people buy Bloodstone on Krob? Can't you get sufficient bulk and regen just from Eul's/Drums into some combination of Scythe/Heart/Shiva's? Is the respawn timer and heal-on-death really that good? Or is it just a cost/effect ratio, with the combined bulk and regen making up for the other suboptimal bits and pieces?


Well, the cost from Eul's+Drums is pretty similar to that of Bloodstone. Some games the mobility and utility from E+D is better, other games you'd rather have the superior bulk, sustain and snowballiness from Bloodstone.

Honestly I think a lot of it is just simplicity. Bloodstone is decent so we go Bloodstone. Just like how on Antimage, you get Battlefury because Antimage gets Battlefury. There are times to get other things, but many/most players, unless there's something spelling out that it's time to do something else, will just follow the standard builds.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 25 2014 21:33 GMT
#125318
Eul's and another good Int item should be, though. Scythe, Shiva's.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 25 2014 21:34 GMT
#125319
On August 26 2014 06:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 06:24 Acritter wrote:
Okay, why DO people buy Bloodstone on Krob? Can't you get sufficient bulk and regen just from Eul's/Drums into some combination of Scythe/Heart/Shiva's? Is the respawn timer and heal-on-death really that good? Or is it just a cost/effect ratio, with the combined bulk and regen making up for the other suboptimal bits and pieces?


Well, the cost from Eul's+Drums is pretty similar to that of Bloodstone. Some games the mobility and utility from E+D is better, other games you'd rather have the superior bulk, sustain and snowballiness from Bloodstone.

Honestly I think a lot of it is just simplicity. Bloodstone is decent so we go Bloodstone. Just like how on Antimage, you get Battlefury because Antimage gets Battlefury. There are times to get other things, but many/most players, unless there's something spelling out that it's time to do something else, will just follow the standard builds.

Bloodstone after Eul's+Drums in this case. That's the build in question.

Antimage and Battlefury is... a little different. Spectre Radiance might be a better comparison.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 25 2014 21:35 GMT
#125320
Basically Bloodstone is really good if you can get something out of the first time you die with it.
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