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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 23 2014 14:54 GMT
#124881
On August 23 2014 23:52 LeLoup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 23:30 trinxified wrote:
On August 23 2014 21:43 ahswtini wrote:
On August 23 2014 21:04 DaMuffinman wrote:
If you are the one who abandoned, you still get a loss.

This makes little sense, it gives zero incentive for the abandoner to come back and play, thus screwing his team even more.


I agree... If you came back and won the game, you should at least gain and lose nothing. So the rest of your team gets their added points, and you don't lose anything.

No, you should be punished if you're gone long enough to get an abandon. If you're having an issue that causes you to not be able to get back for >5 minutes then that's an issue and people should not be expected to wait for that. 1~2 is fine, anything more than that is excessive and is punished accordingly.

Such as Valve's servers being utter hogshit?
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
August 23 2014 14:56 GMT
#124882
On August 23 2014 23:54 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 23:52 LeLoup wrote:
On August 23 2014 23:30 trinxified wrote:
On August 23 2014 21:43 ahswtini wrote:
On August 23 2014 21:04 DaMuffinman wrote:
If you are the one who abandoned, you still get a loss.

This makes little sense, it gives zero incentive for the abandoner to come back and play, thus screwing his team even more.


I agree... If you came back and won the game, you should at least gain and lose nothing. So the rest of your team gets their added points, and you don't lose anything.

No, you should be punished if you're gone long enough to get an abandon. If you're having an issue that causes you to not be able to get back for >5 minutes then that's an issue and people should not be expected to wait for that. 1~2 is fine, anything more than that is excessive and is punished accordingly.

Such as Valve's servers being utter hogshit?

You knew exactly what you were getting into, you chose to roll the dice on ranked. Why exactly should people be crying for you?
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 23 2014 14:56 GMT
#124883
It hasn't happened to me in months. I just know that it's an ongoing thing that they do. So why again do we punish players for Valve's failures?
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 23 2014 15:01 GMT
#124884
why even play ranked when valve are such failures
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 23 2014 15:01 GMT
#124885
On August 23 2014 23:33 Torte de Lini wrote:
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On August 23 2014 23:16 Kennigit wrote:
On August 23 2014 22:09 Torte de Lini wrote:
YouPorn looking to sponsor eSports is just bad. Since Google is stopping to advertise pornography (Jul 2014) it's no surprise these sites are considering strong avenues of exposure from online live streaming sectors involving games (that's their demographic anyways).

and then there are some orgs/people actually considering taking up YouPorn's offer which should be a sign of something about this culture and business as a whole.

It doesn't show anything about the business as a whole when there has been such a resounding ''no'' from the industry....


Yes, from developers and companies, not from all teams and people.

no need to punctuate with an ellipsis lol


Teams and people are more liberal than those old farts hence why there hasn't been a resounding no as it really doesn't matter.
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
August 23 2014 15:04 GMT
#124886
On August 23 2014 23:56 Acritter wrote:
It hasn't happened to me in months. I just know that it's an ongoing thing that they do. So why again do we punish players for Valve's failures?

So it hasn't happened to you in a few months, most of the times that people experience lag aren't valve's fault, and if it is there are huge potions of the community that are very verbal about it pretty constantly.

And then you still choose to play ranked.

No, no I really don't see a problem for morons losing MMR for this.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-23 15:10:59
August 23 2014 15:10 GMT
#124887
Ye it's like today when my pc rebooted in a won game and then steam decided to search for updates when I got back into windows and then dota decided to search for dota2 network when I finally got back into dota2.

Damn me, i'm such a fucking moron lol xDD
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 23 2014 15:12 GMT
#124888
On August 24 2014 00:10 Gosi wrote:
Ye it's like today when my pc rebooted in a won game and then steam decided to search for updates when I got back into windows and then dota decided to search for dota2 network when I finally got back into dota2.

Damn me, i'm such a fucking moron lol xDD

yes
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
August 23 2014 15:14 GMT
#124889
On August 24 2014 00:12 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 00:10 Gosi wrote:
Ye it's like today when my pc rebooted in a won game and then steam decided to search for updates when I got back into windows and then dota decided to search for dota2 network when I finally got back into dota2.

Damn me, i'm such a fucking moron lol xDD

yes

Well I mean, I am since I'm playing dota2 and not superiormoba where everything is perfect and surrounded by boobs.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Valhalla44
Profile Joined May 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina983 Posts
August 23 2014 15:20 GMT
#124890
servers are excellent for a f2p title. They even surpass games with some 60 € prize tag. But ppl live to whine i guess :D.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 23 2014 15:20 GMT
#124891
On August 24 2014 00:14 Gosi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 00:12 Qbek wrote:
On August 24 2014 00:10 Gosi wrote:
Ye it's like today when my pc rebooted in a won game and then steam decided to search for updates when I got back into windows and then dota decided to search for dota2 network when I finally got back into dota2.

Damn me, i'm such a fucking moron lol xDD

yes

Well I mean, I am since I'm playing dota2 and not superiormoba where everything is perfect and surrounded by boobs.

Fuck dota, I'm switching to pro poe
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
August 23 2014 15:31 GMT
#124892
On August 24 2014 00:20 Valhalla44 wrote:
servers are excellent for a f2p title. They even surpass games with some 60 € prize tag. But ppl live to whine i guess :D.

f2p argument is dumb
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
spacer
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2786 Posts
August 23 2014 15:54 GMT
#124893
I am 0-34 when sniper is on the same team as mine
dizzy101
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2066 Posts
August 23 2014 15:57 GMT
#124894
160K viewers on Ferrari's stream, wtf. Obscene numbers. How much must Chinese LoL players get, then?
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-23 15:58:07
August 23 2014 15:57 GMT
#124895
On August 24 2014 00:54 spacer wrote:
I am 0-34 when sniper is on the same team as mine


how do you know? is it part of the dotabuff+ thing?

On August 24 2014 00:57 dizzy101 wrote:
160K viewers on Ferrari's stream, wtf. Obscene numbers. How much must Chinese LoL players get, then?


numbers are inflated by a huge amount, like x3 or something.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 23 2014 15:57 GMT
#124896
On August 24 2014 00:54 spacer wrote:
I am 0-34 when sniper is on the same team as mine

At this point it's you who must be the problem
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
August 23 2014 15:58 GMT
#124897
On August 23 2014 23:52 LeLoup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 23:30 trinxified wrote:
On August 23 2014 21:43 ahswtini wrote:
On August 23 2014 21:04 DaMuffinman wrote:
If you are the one who abandoned, you still get a loss.

This makes little sense, it gives zero incentive for the abandoner to come back and play, thus screwing his team even more.


I agree... If you came back and won the game, you should at least gain and lose nothing. So the rest of your team gets their added points, and you don't lose anything.

No, you should be punished if you're gone long enough to get an abandon. If you're having an issue that causes you to not be able to get back for >5 minutes then that's an issue and people should not be expected to wait for that. 1~2 is fine, anything more than that is excessive and is punished accordingly.

You should still get an abandon, but think of the bigger picture here. If you had abandoned, and knew there was nothing in it for you to come back and try to win, would you rejoin? The punishment should be getting the +1 abandon. If you come back for whatever reason and manage to win, you should get the win (as long as you weren't still disconnected of course). Not having any reason to play after you've abandoned screws your team over more.

tldr: you are still punished by getting an abandon and being one step closer to low priority. If you rejoin the game and win, you should get a win accordingly.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
spacer
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2786 Posts
August 23 2014 16:35 GMT
#124898
On August 24 2014 00:57 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 00:54 spacer wrote:
I am 0-34 when sniper is on the same team as mine

At this point it's you who must be the problem

55% winrate
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 23 2014 16:50 GMT
#124899
On August 24 2014 00:58 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 23:52 LeLoup wrote:
On August 23 2014 23:30 trinxified wrote:
On August 23 2014 21:43 ahswtini wrote:
On August 23 2014 21:04 DaMuffinman wrote:
If you are the one who abandoned, you still get a loss.

This makes little sense, it gives zero incentive for the abandoner to come back and play, thus screwing his team even more.


I agree... If you came back and won the game, you should at least gain and lose nothing. So the rest of your team gets their added points, and you don't lose anything.

No, you should be punished if you're gone long enough to get an abandon. If you're having an issue that causes you to not be able to get back for >5 minutes then that's an issue and people should not be expected to wait for that. 1~2 is fine, anything more than that is excessive and is punished accordingly.

You should still get an abandon, but think of the bigger picture here. If you had abandoned, and knew there was nothing in it for you to come back and try to win, would you rejoin? The punishment should be getting the +1 abandon. If you come back for whatever reason and manage to win, you should get the win (as long as you weren't still disconnected of course). Not having any reason to play after you've abandoned screws your team over more.

tldr: you are still punished by getting an abandon and being one step closer to low priority. If you rejoin the game and win, you should get a win accordingly.

Yeah, I agree with this. You should get an abandon and a win if you fail to reconnect in time, but still win the game. Abandon and a loss for a won game makes no sense and just makes you feel like shit.
super gg
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2854 Posts
August 23 2014 16:57 GMT
#124900
On August 24 2014 00:58 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 23:52 LeLoup wrote:
On August 23 2014 23:30 trinxified wrote:
On August 23 2014 21:43 ahswtini wrote:
On August 23 2014 21:04 DaMuffinman wrote:
If you are the one who abandoned, you still get a loss.

This makes little sense, it gives zero incentive for the abandoner to come back and play, thus screwing his team even more.


I agree... If you came back and won the game, you should at least gain and lose nothing. So the rest of your team gets their added points, and you don't lose anything.

No, you should be punished if you're gone long enough to get an abandon. If you're having an issue that causes you to not be able to get back for >5 minutes then that's an issue and people should not be expected to wait for that. 1~2 is fine, anything more than that is excessive and is punished accordingly.

You should still get an abandon, but think of the bigger picture here. If you had abandoned, and knew there was nothing in it for you to come back and try to win, would you rejoin? The punishment should be getting the +1 abandon. If you come back for whatever reason and manage to win, you should get the win (as long as you weren't still disconnected of course). Not having any reason to play after you've abandoned screws your team over more.

tldr: you are still punished by getting an abandon and being one step closer to low priority. If you rejoin the game and win, you should get a win accordingly.


You've probably given your team a fairly significant disadvantage, I don't see why you should participate in the W if your team manages to bring it back to a victory.

Obviously there are cases where your internet goes down as a godlike tinker at 25 mintes, and you reconnect 6 minutes later to learn your team didn't pause at all, but in MOST cases I dunno why you should get a shot at a win when you've probably given your team a loss.
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