• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:45
CEST 06:45
KST 13:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0
StarCraft 2
General
Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away GSTL Returns in 2026! SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall 2026 GSTL Announcement Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 ASL22 General Discussion Pros React To: First 'Fastest' Map in ASL History BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Toronto invitational lan 22 august [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro24 Group B [ASL22] Ro24 Group A
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? Artificial Intelligence Thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
The Creator Fan Club MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Young Players Exit Esports E…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4548 users

General Discussion - Page 5753

Forum Index > Dota 2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5751 5752 5753 5754 5755 6534 Next
IRC chatter should remain in IRC - http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=tl.dota2

Posts that relate to topics with their own thread, such as in News, Tournaments or Strategy should go in those threads.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 19:59:44
June 24 2014 19:55 GMT
#115041
It really doesn't matter dude. You'll pick up carry tips when ur carry does something next level as ur supporting him, or if nothing else you'll see what is a big mistake when ur carry does it while ur supporting him. Same thing goes for support tips as you play carry. "My supports never ward this spot and I get ganked from here mostly" well now u learned where to ward as a support, while still playing as carry. Etc.

The real way to improve is to be a student of the game. Think about EVERYTHING. Go over a replay every once in a while. Who cares what everybody else did, just think super hard about EVERY decision you made. "Why ward there? Why start in that lane? Why level that skill? Why buy those items? Why pull? Why/Why not smoke mid? why everything!"

And when something bad happens,
"How can I get to my jungle to stop them warding faster next time? How can I avoid getting first blooded? How can I stop their offlaner farming? How can I help my mid win? How can I get a faster item (blink/force/mek/whatever). etc"
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
June 24 2014 19:57 GMT
#115042
I think being balanced is better overall as well, this way you never get into a game where you end up on something you're completely uncomfortable on. I am bad at taking my own advice though and as such never play carry or mid.

Then again I don't enjoy just straight feeding, so there is that.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
June 24 2014 19:58 GMT
#115043
Only way you're handicapping yourself is if you don't have fun.
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 20:03:04
June 24 2014 20:02 GMT
#115044
People play games to have fun? What kind of heresy is this? Honestly, I never thought about replay analysis like with sc2. That's a pretty good tip. I'll try that this evening and see if I can learn at least 2-3 things from every review. Ill be a baller in no time! Or at least I'll suck less. That's all I can hope for.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 24 2014 20:03 GMT
#115045
For myself I try to have a few go to heroes in a specific role and have a limited pool. Not to specialized either and heroes that can do a lot win a couple of kills, like slark or PA. For offlaners, in pick tide, clock or timber.

And wraith king, because no know fills out a front like like wraith king.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
June 24 2014 20:04 GMT
#115046
Random or ursa
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 24 2014 20:10 GMT
#115047
Also, in order to play a good support you need to understand what your carry needs from you, and in order to understand that you need to be reasonably competent as a carry. And vice versa. As a carry, you need to understand what your supports will be able to do for you, and when you need to work with them instead of leech off of them, etc.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
June 24 2014 20:10 GMT
#115048
On June 25 2014 05:04 Yoshi- wrote:
Random or ursa


I actually don't find ursa to be that amazing in low level pubs. I've seen him go to town with good farm and a shadow blade. He just crept up and killed anyone who ventured out alone. But without team support, he doesn't seem to do a whole lot. And at ~2500 MMR, support from your team is inconsistent at best. At that level you still have supports jacking your last hits and no wards to be found. And a walking courier at 10 mins. Drives me apeshit lol.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 20:15:50
June 24 2014 20:14 GMT
#115049
U can just jungle ursa.

Start stout + tangoes (salve optional), Kill big + medium camps alternately, you should get 900 or 1000g around level 3 or 4. Run back to base, heal up, buy morbid mask and smoke (or beg a smoke from support), go kill rosh (nobody should scout at 2.5K mmr). Bam 7 min rosh or some shit. ez. Go buy phase, save for a blink, win.

You should be like 2 levels ahead of their mid player after rosh, just run around killing their whole team lol. Nobody is gonna hide just because you are off the map.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 20:15:28
June 24 2014 20:14 GMT
#115050
i lose 100% of my games vs strength core lineups

Tiny, Doom, Axe, Abba, Brew, Centa, SPiritbreaker

If 3 of those are in enemy team, 100% loss.
especially tiny. If there s a tiny, no need for others

WTF is going on
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 24 2014 20:15 GMT
#115051
Play timbersaw. Free wins (unless u get doomed lel).
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 20:16:07
June 24 2014 20:15 GMT
#115052
On June 25 2014 05:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
U can just jungle ursa.

Start stout + tangoes (salve optional), Kill big + medium camps ideally, you should get 900 or 1000g around level 3 or 4. Run back to base, heal up, buy morbid mask and smoke (or beg a smoke from support), go kill rosh (nobody should scout at 2.5K mmr). Bam 7 min rosh or some shit. ez. Go buy phase, save for a blink, win.

You should be like 2 levels ahead of their mid player after rosh, just run around killing their whole team lol. Nobody is gonna hide just because you are off the map.

jungle ursa sucks tho

source: you
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 20:18:30
June 24 2014 20:16 GMT
#115053
On June 25 2014 05:15 andyrau wrote:
jungle ursa sucks tho

source: you

It does suck but he's 2.5K mmr and is complaining he can't lane with bad supports

Also I was mid ursa, vs a tinker + axe dual lane and alt tabbed for most of the first 10 mins get ur facts right. I think i woulda had 3x the farm in the jungle.

PS ur axe musta had god spawns honestly he jungled super fast without taking any fucking damage and spending like 80% of the time jacking off in my lane.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 24 2014 20:18 GMT
#115054
Ok, as someone in that dark MMR range, I agree ursa is kinda trash. No one picks awesome supports like bane to lock shit down for him.

Also, I just buy the flying courier after a while, even if I am mid. It's going to take at least 45 minutes for me to get my team to rub up against the tier 3s and end the game, so there is plenty of time to get it back.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 20:24:44
June 24 2014 20:23 GMT
#115055
I don't even remember what happened that game all I recall is that was my first time playing with the axe player and ck/kotl is impotent

oh and everyone kept forgetting to write rosh timer down
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 20:27:14
June 24 2014 20:26 GMT
#115056
On June 25 2014 05:18 Plansix wrote:
Ok, as someone in that dark MMR range, I agree ursa is kinda trash. No one picks awesome supports like bane to lock shit down for him.

Also, I just buy the flying courier after a while, even if I am mid. It's going to take at least 45 minutes for me to get my team to rub up against the tier 3s and end the game, so there is plenty of time to get it back.



Amen trench-brother. Although the jungling Ursa mini guide does sound promising. I guess you don't need a lot of help when you're a couple levels ahead of both mids, sporting an aegis, and leading net worth. If it works out that way of course. If someone on their team isn't a total fucktard and comes to gank you when you're at 25% HP after clearing a camp... Well that could be problematic. Oh well. At least I have something FUN to try =P

Edit: LOL my phone auto corrected jungling to bungling. Story of my fucking life.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 20:28:46
June 24 2014 20:27 GMT
#115057
On June 25 2014 05:23 andyrau wrote:
I don't even remember what happened that game all I recall is that was my first time playing with the axe player and ck/kotl is impotent

oh and everyone kept forgetting to write rosh timer down

Shhhhh us too
On June 25 2014 05:26 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2014 05:18 Plansix wrote:
Ok, as someone in that dark MMR range, I agree ursa is kinda trash. No one picks awesome supports like bane to lock shit down for him.

Also, I just buy the flying courier after a while, even if I am mid. It's going to take at least 45 minutes for me to get my team to rub up against the tier 3s and end the game, so there is plenty of time to get it back.



Amen trench-brother. Although the jungling Ursa mini guide does sound promising. I guess you don't need a lot of help when you're a couple levels ahead of both mids, sporting an aegis, and leading net worth. If it works out that way of course. If someone on their team isn't a total fucktard and comes to gank you when you're at 25% HP after clearing a camp... Well that could be problematic. Oh well. At least I have something FUN to try =P

Edit: LOL my phone auto corrected jungling to bungling. Story of my fucking life.

Try it once in a practice lobby first, since the first part literally ignores every other player until after rosh anyway
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 24 2014 20:30 GMT
#115058
Really at that level of trench, there are a couple of traits I look for in my heroes:

Can they knock down a tower?

Can they make shit happen?

Can they farm and gtfo if necessary?

So pretty much slark/DP every game. Or Lycan, but he falls off to hard without help.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 20:35:20
June 24 2014 20:31 GMT
#115059
Slark hits towers exceedingly poorly

You may wish to try le clinkz

Tower killer supreme, great at solo-killing out of position supports or people farming their jungle, capable of ricing forever and carrying, etc.

Although clinkz does rather require enough gamesense to properly choose what you should be doing at that point in time (Jungling, Looking for kills, Hitting buildings, etc).
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
June 24 2014 20:35 GMT
#115060
On June 25 2014 05:30 Plansix wrote:
Really at that level of trench, there are a couple of traits I look for in my heroes:

Can they knock down a tower?

Can they make shit happen?

Can they farm and gtfo if necessary?

So pretty much slark/DP every game. Or Lycan, but he falls off to hard without help.


I actually tend to look for heroes that can snowball out of control without too much help from my team. I just can't trust them to not suck. I've posted it in other threads, but I swear that approximately 22 out of my last 30 games have had 2 people on my team who go 0-XX (that's double digits. Double. Digits). If I can't carry the game by myself or with one other player on my team, I'm in real trouble. Its sad that I have to approach the game that way.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Prev 1 5751 5752 5753 5754 5755 6534 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
23:00
FSL s11 - code S championships
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft433
RuFF_SC2 152
ProTech123
Nina 71
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 348
actioN 322
Noble 20
Icarus 13
Dota 2
The International105794
NeuroSwarm164
League of Legends
JimRising 855
Counter-Strike
taco 415
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox623
Other Games
summit1g11072
C9.Mang0300
ViBE172
ROOTCatZ58
Trikslyr47
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick683
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 68
• davetesta36
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
StarCraft: Brood War
• Light_VIP 5
• iopq 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Noizen27
• lizZardDota221
League of Legends
• Rush1183
• Lourlo995
• Stunt292
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
5h 16m
PiG Sty Festival
7h 16m
Zoun vs Solar
SHIN vs Maru
Patches Events
11h 16m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 5h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 7h
TBD vs Reynor
Serral vs TBD
OSC
1d 11h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
hero vs ggaemo
Larva vs Mong
The Patches Monday
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Soulkey vs PianO
JyJ vs sSak
GSL
3 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Mini vs Calm
Queen vs EffOrt
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W8
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.