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hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
April 11 2014 11:38 GMT
#102601
Someone teach me how to babysit. I play a lot of support but I suck at making space for the carry.

Is there a game I can watch to learn or something
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
April 11 2014 11:57 GMT
#102602
On April 11 2014 20:38 hooahah wrote:
Someone teach me how to babysit. I play a lot of support but I suck at making space for the carry.

Is there a game I can watch to learn or something

Well it's a pretty broad subject but some general tips or whatever:

1. Learn how to kill the enemy offlane. Unless they are Funn1k they are going to make mistakes and you need to learn to recognize them and capitalize on them. Probably the biggest tip I can give.

2. If you can't kill the offlane just pull, but don't pull if the wave is already pushing into the tower making your carry tank 2 waves. A lot of supports get massively stronger at lvl 2 than 1 so it might be enough to kill the offlane.

3. Some lanes just suck. Like Spectre + AA won't ever be able to kill an offlane unless they massively fuck up. Best is to just pull and give regen to the carry.. Trade lasthits for reg. That lane lost because the lane is horrible, it happens in pubs. AA is not a strong babysitter and spectre usually needs 2 supports or one very strong laner.

4. If the lane is already lost, like you died vs the offlane. The worst thing you can do is to just sit and steal xp from your carry. Try to help mid by controlling runes / ganking for them. If you just sit next to your carry they end up underfarmed AND underleveled. At least give them solo xp.

5. I think a lot of people spend too much time trying to zone out the offlane with it not working. If you can't kill him then just pull so you and your carry gets higher level and then try. Zoning out is more for trilanes vs solo offlane I think unless you know what you're doing. Remember, pulling is another way of giving the offlane less xp + if he comes to soak xp he has put himself in a lot worse position so easier to kill.

This is for 2v1 situations which pubs tends to end up in. If it's trilane vs solo offlane it's different.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
April 11 2014 12:32 GMT
#102603
ROFL reddit plz
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/22rnoe/allfemale_tournaments_should_not_be_in_esports/
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Windwaker
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany1597 Posts
April 11 2014 12:45 GMT
#102604
On April 11 2014 21:32 teddyoojo wrote:
ROFL reddit plz
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/22rnoe/allfemale_tournaments_should_not_be_in_esports/

i like how the op is calling everyone sexist, who doesnt agree with his opinion.
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
April 11 2014 12:46 GMT
#102605
you can created space by making stuff happen on their safe lane / mid.

FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-11 12:54:48
April 11 2014 12:52 GMT
#102606
On April 11 2014 21:32 teddyoojo wrote:
ROFL reddit plz
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/22rnoe/allfemale_tournaments_should_not_be_in_esports/

I love his assurance that there isn't any sexual dimorphism that is relevant to Dota. Y'know, because reaction times and visual-spatial abilities aren't relevant at all.

And of course I can only assume he thinks all tournaments that are limited by nationality are also bigoted.

On April 11 2014 21:46 zezamer wrote:
you can created space by making stuff happen on their safe lane / mid.


Yeah, this is an important point.

Sometimes you're not going to be able to do anything in your safe lane. Unless your draft (or just heroes in AP) is just terrible, you should be able to get advantages elsewhere, or you should be OK with losing laning because you have a strength curve that puts you ahead mid-late if you don't lose too badly. Sometimes winning games is about deciding which lane to sacrifice for a time.
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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
April 11 2014 13:34 GMT
#102607
On April 11 2014 20:38 hooahah wrote:
Someone teach me how to babysit. I play a lot of support but I suck at making space for the carry.

Is there a game I can watch to learn or something

?? Theres like a minimum of 4 tournaments being broadcasted every day. Just check the side bar....
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
April 11 2014 13:46 GMT
#102608
On April 11 2014 20:38 hooahah wrote:
Someone teach me how to babysit. I play a lot of support but I suck at making space for the carry.

Is there a game I can watch to learn or something


in pubs the offlane is often way out of position, if they get in exp range trade hits with them. If they are defensive you pull, jungle or gank.
If it is a 2v2 lane it depends on the matchup really but assuming you are safelane you have the pulling advantage and should get ahead.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 11 2014 14:07 GMT
#102609
In safe lane, I always just pull a shitload or guard rune if my mid fucks up. I find that consumes a lot of time (+ harassment, depending on my hero)

For offlane, I feel it is a bit harder to do those things obviously, so I either roam a shitload or just overall play safe.
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Rybka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States836 Posts
April 11 2014 14:14 GMT
#102610
On April 11 2014 20:38 hooahah wrote:
Someone teach me how to babysit. I play a lot of support but I suck at making space for the carry.

Is there a game I can watch to learn or something


You have some reading ahead of you - this guide is what you need...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/dota-2-strategy/377503-guide-how-to-play-support-by-burningsera

Another simple question is, what side of the creep line to you sit on? If it's always your own, you should play more aggressively.
"I like winter, you can put a beer outside of the window and come back later to have it nice and cold. But in Belgium, it'd better be the 3rd floor window." -Rowa
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33681 Posts
April 11 2014 15:46 GMT
#102611
Tell me guys, is there a chance that this might force a skin/appearance change for Invoker (Kaelthas)?

AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-11 15:49:56
April 11 2014 15:48 GMT
#102612
I'd be surprised if invoker was substantially changed. His name is Carl or something which doesn't overlap and the lore is different as well. And there's substantial flavour interaction with invoker which valve likely doesn't want to waste.

Then again, maybe I need to see the new Kael'thas.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-11 15:50:47
April 11 2014 15:49 GMT
#102613
On April 12 2014 00:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'd be surprised if invoker was substantially changed. His name is Carl or something which doesn't overlap and the lore is different as well.

Then again, maybe I need to see the new Kael'thas.
His name is only Carl because of a chinese mistranslation of Kael.
Once you Goblak...
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-11 15:50:35
April 11 2014 15:50 GMT
#102614
Which is hilarious but not an issue for copyright conflicts or w/e
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Ru ba
Profile Joined February 2014
Serbia1812 Posts
April 11 2014 15:50 GMT
#102615
they were quite stingy even with the names until recently.
I mean Invoker was in the game as is for a while now I doubt that they would force a change all of a sudden.
u gotta farm
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-11 15:54:14
April 11 2014 15:51 GMT
#102616
On April 12 2014 00:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
Which is hilarious but not an issue for copyright conflicts or w/e
His name is actually Kael, but not in Dota 2. In Dota 2 there's no reference to any name except invoker as far as I'm aware.

Either way, invoker doesn't look similar enough to Kael. They're both just sort of generic sorcerers. I can't imagine there being any change with him.
Once you Goblak...
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-11 15:57:59
April 11 2014 15:57 GMT
#102617
Well there are voice lines that mention "Carl" in reference to invoker but no other mentions apparently.

And the robes with orbiting glowing balls are preeeetty similar but I agree that it shouldn't be too big an issue.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
April 11 2014 16:06 GMT
#102618
well im still waiting for my nevermore remake
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-11 16:09:03
April 11 2014 16:08 GMT
#102619
Invoker's name in the lore was Garaal. But then it was removed.
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
April 11 2014 16:22 GMT
#102620
I really wish Volvo would stop adding sets to heroes that already has million sets :/

Hipsterpickerproblems, but I really want a new brewmaster set t_t
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