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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On April 10 2014 02:09 teddyoojo wrote: Ember spirit not as fun when it isn't C9 playing it in 100% of games and they're losing to it instead?and i thought the dota lesson of today was fuck emberspirit | ||
dravernor
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hariooo
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goody153
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i got a question .. why do alliance never pick tiny for IO ? tiny is like the sickest combo hero with IO and probably the strongest carry to mix with IO.. i only saw them pick tiny for IO once .. this game they picked ck over tiny.. i still don't understand how anyone would prefer ck over tiny | ||
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
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goody153
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On April 10 2014 02:51 teapoted wrote: Tiny needs more farm. but CK is really mediocre and his skills are not so game changing | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 10 2014 02:52 goody153 wrote: but CK is really mediocre and his skills are not so game changing Tell that to Loda | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
He's an all around solid hero, while Tiny is more niche. CK/Wisp used to be the most common combo, and almost no one would play Tiny/Wisp. It is only recently that Tiny/Wisp is more popular, somewhat due to that tether was changed, but I also believe it's just because Fnatic like Tiny and they brought Wisp back. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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goody153
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On April 10 2014 02:55 teapoted wrote: CK has a long reliable stun (by reliable I mean to hit). He's good at chasing. He's good at pushing (when he has ulti). He scales well with farm but doesn't need a ton of it. He's an all around solid hero, while Tiny is more niche. CK/Wisp used to be the most common combo, and almost no one would play Tiny/Wisp. It is only recently that Tiny/Wisp is more popular, somewhat due to that tether was changed, but I also believe it's just because Fnatic like Tiny and they brought Wisp back. isn't everything paired with wisp good with chasing ? also doesn't tiny breaks base faster than ck with just aghs ? tiny is pretty solid for me .. and is much better in late game also tiny can 1 hit combo also all heroes in the early- midgame with just his toss-avalanche when both are level 4 i guess the only advantage i could think that CK does better is the stun and he scales well even with not so much farm. tiny also farms faster than ck. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
And yes tiny does farm faster than ck, which is why he's a late game hero. CK rarely sits and farms. They fit into different line-ups, it's not as simple as saying one hero is better than the other. They pair with wisp, that's most of what they have in common. | ||
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goody153
44292 Posts
On April 10 2014 02:57 Sn0_Man wrote: Besides, CK is combat-ready with like armlet + drums, Tiny farms Drums + Aghs and then he really starts farming lol. The heroes come online at fantastically different parts of the game (tiny has a big hole in his power curve around when he finishes aghs where his magic burst drops off heavily and his physical damage isn't there yet). Tiny is more like anti-mage ? and ck is more like slardar ? in terms of roles ? no ? | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
You don't want to rely on a CK the same way in terms of carrying. But if you run him in a multi-core line-up, he's good. | ||
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DarkReign_
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https://twitter.com/redbull/status/453955211024142336/photo/1 | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 10 2014 03:08 DarkReign_ wrote: Wtf DeMoN got sponsored by RedBull. https://twitter.com/redbull/status/453955211024142336/photo/1 o.o wow. Interesting indeed. | ||
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Wrath 2.1
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DarkReign_
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On April 10 2014 03:09 teapoted wrote: Demon was sponsored by redbull since the monster invitational as far as I'm aware. News to me then.. | ||
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goody153
44292 Posts
i think i understand what you mean on why they pick ck over tiny. ck can fight really early and early game items really help him a lot. pushes faster in the early game too. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 10 2014 02:57 Sn0_Man wrote: Besides, CK is combat-ready with like armlet + drums, Tiny farms Drums + Aghs and then he really starts farming lol. The heroes come online at fantastically different parts of the game (tiny has a big hole in his power curve around when he finishes aghs where his magic burst drops off heavily and his physical damage isn't there yet). CK also has a lot more flexibility among his first 2-3 major items (Drums and Armlet you mentioned, but an early BKB, Halberd, Vanguard, or even S&Y can be considered) which makes each timing individually more impactful. Tiny's item development is somewhat less flexible (he more or less needs to block out 4.2k gold in his first 2 major items to buy Agha), but he really comes together when he has Agha+AC or Agha+Manta. Honestly CK doesn't even need to fight as late as Drums+Armlet. Treads+Drums+level 8 (double maxed nukes) is CK's first major strong point, it's just that unless the early game went really well, Wisp is usually not level 6 yet in a trilane when CK hits level 8, so they farm to the next major item because botching the Drums+level 8 timing without Wisp level 6 is really damaging to CK's tempo. | ||
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