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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
May 06 2012 05:18 GMT
#9961
Holy shit thats smart LOL costs him 100 for one ward, 135 for TP scroll and he has to go level 1 teleport, but then he gets 175g for 4 teammates and nets -60 for himself.
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 05:21:24
May 06 2012 05:20 GMT
#9962
On May 06 2012 14:18 Zlasher wrote:
Holy shit thats smart LOL costs him 100 for one ward, 135 for TP scroll and he has to go level 1 teleport, but then he gets 175g for 4 teammates and nets -60 for himself.

Isn't courier supposed to be invuln in fountain as of 6.74? If it's not, that should be reported as a bug.

Otherwise, the only way that would actually kill the courier is if their team is dumb enough to not de-ward before using the courier.

EDIT:
From the 6.73b patch notes:
Couriers are now invulnerable near their fountain


If that's not the case, then that should be reported on the dev forums.
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frucisky
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 05:25:09
May 06 2012 05:22 GMT
#9963
On May 05 2012 15:23 LAN-f34r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 13:23 frucisky wrote:
Ursa is never picked competitively and I understand all the reasons that've been said - he's melee, easily disabled, somewhat item dependant, countered by ghost scepter etc.

The thing is, if you have a team build around him with disables, he just instantly kills any hero and easily snowballs, especially once he has his bkb (i.e. he can't be slowed anymore)

I don't play at a pro level duh but I fail to see why isn't he picked with a team built around him.


Thing is, there are better heroes to have a team built around. AM, void, spec, PL, morph all carry harder than ursa and don't require babysitting in lane to the same extent. Ursa is a bit like jugg; high threat in lane when combined with disables, a little more damage but not as much utility.


Yes! A pro game with Ursa, please watch xD



watch what happens (to lycan especially) 35:40 onwards
<3 DongRaeGu <3
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
May 06 2012 05:40 GMT
#9964
On May 06 2012 14:22 frucisky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 15:23 LAN-f34r wrote:
On May 05 2012 13:23 frucisky wrote:
Ursa is never picked competitively and I understand all the reasons that've been said - he's melee, easily disabled, somewhat item dependant, countered by ghost scepter etc.

The thing is, if you have a team build around him with disables, he just instantly kills any hero and easily snowballs, especially once he has his bkb (i.e. he can't be slowed anymore)

I don't play at a pro level duh but I fail to see why isn't he picked with a team built around him.


Thing is, there are better heroes to have a team built around. AM, void, spec, PL, morph all carry harder than ursa and don't require babysitting in lane to the same extent. Ursa is a bit like jugg; high threat in lane when combined with disables, a little more damage but not as much utility.


Yes! A pro game with Ursa, please watch xD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtJumK0mcvM&feature=plcp

watch what happens (to lycan especially) 35:40 onwards


thanks, I should really stop following joindota's vod page and subscribe to their YT channel... geez they're slow.
ffxiv enjoyer
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 06 2012 05:41 GMT
#9965
On May 06 2012 14:20 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 14:18 Zlasher wrote:
Holy shit thats smart LOL costs him 100 for one ward, 135 for TP scroll and he has to go level 1 teleport, but then he gets 175g for 4 teammates and nets -60 for himself.

Isn't courier supposed to be invuln in fountain as of 6.74? If it's not, that should be reported as a bug.

Otherwise, the only way that would actually kill the courier is if their team is dumb enough to not de-ward before using the courier.

EDIT:
From the 6.73b patch notes:
Show nested quote +
Couriers are now invulnerable near their fountain


If that's not the case, then that should be reported on the dev forums.

he means warding one of the positions behind mid tower (when people usually have not crowed because they're all greedy) then tp to snipe. it's basically the same thing but a little harder to pull off. it's pretty common in 1v1s though
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 06 2012 05:57 GMT
#9966
On May 06 2012 14:41 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 14:20 TheYango wrote:
On May 06 2012 14:18 Zlasher wrote:
Holy shit thats smart LOL costs him 100 for one ward, 135 for TP scroll and he has to go level 1 teleport, but then he gets 175g for 4 teammates and nets -60 for himself.

Isn't courier supposed to be invuln in fountain as of 6.74? If it's not, that should be reported as a bug.

Otherwise, the only way that would actually kill the courier is if their team is dumb enough to not de-ward before using the courier.

EDIT:
From the 6.73b patch notes:
Couriers are now invulnerable near their fountain


If that's not the case, then that should be reported on the dev forums.

he means warding one of the positions behind mid tower (when people usually have not crowed because they're all greedy) then tp to snipe. it's basically the same thing but a little harder to pull off. it's pretty common in 1v1s though

Ah yeah that makes more sense.
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Font
Profile Joined February 2012
170 Posts
May 06 2012 05:57 GMT
#9967
On May 06 2012 14:11 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 13:53 NB wrote:
just played with the most annoying furion ever met. Level 1 port enemy base with obs ward to snipe chicken... ~_~


what? why are you complaining if he just got 175g for everyone?


thats a magic wand!
whoso
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany523 Posts
May 06 2012 06:09 GMT
#9968
yo guys. would you say phantom lancer is up there with the likes of void spectre am in terms if carrying potential? ive been wondering if its justified to count him as one of the 'superhard carries'.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 06 2012 06:34 GMT
#9969
no, you ward infront of fountain so you know which direction the courier is moving out, then snipe it behind tier 2 and tier 3 tower. Fucking abusive imo.

Btw, thank god i remind myself not to play during weekend. Morning got sponsored players, at night got people who played less than 50 games. zzzzzzzzzzzz
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 06 2012 07:56 GMT
#9970
On May 06 2012 15:09 whoso wrote:
yo guys. would you say phantom lancer is up there with the likes of void spectre am in terms if carrying potential? ive been wondering if its justified to count him as one of the 'superhard carries'.


Probably not at the same level as Void and Spectre, who both are a level above everyone. But with 6 slots, I would always have him rather then an antimage. Yes, he is a very hard carry.
super gg
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 07:59:21
May 06 2012 07:58 GMT
#9971
On May 06 2012 15:09 whoso wrote:
yo guys. would you say phantom lancer is up there with the likes of void spectre am in terms if carrying potential? ive been wondering if its justified to count him as one of the 'superhard carries'.

PL is definitely up there as a hyper carry. A PL with Radiance+a couple other big items like Heart/Manta/Diffusal/Bfly is scary as hell and can rip through shit super fast. However, he's not as popular as spec/am in competitive play when it comes to wanting a hyper carry nowadays for several reasons. He doesn't have the global presence of Spec nor is he naturally as tanky as Spec. His mobility/escape isn't as strong as AM/Weaver either. Also, PL is rather weak until he gets a decent amount of levels and a ton of farm. Whereas Spec is strong as soon as she gets Radiance+1 survivability item and AM is strong basically as soon as he gets Manta, PL needs quite a bit more farm to become as powerful as Spec/AM.

That being said, PL was used as a hyper carry in some Chinese lineups in the past tho.
hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
May 06 2012 08:06 GMT
#9972
On May 06 2012 15:09 whoso wrote:
yo guys. would you say phantom lancer is up there with the likes of void spectre am in terms if carrying potential? ive been wondering if its justified to count him as one of the 'superhard carries'.


Yah... he's a bit of a dark horse among hard carries, but he's right up there with medusa in terms of late game potential. You can find matches of PL outcarrying max inventory void and stuff like that.
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
May 06 2012 08:53 GMT
#9973
On May 06 2012 04:36 NB wrote:by the way.... Recently i think tiny is an incredible late game hero more than a ganker. I had games where i just 1v4 a lycan team after 50 mins mark. What this means is dagger should now become an optional items while something such as MoM/lothar from jokes items became more viable. Ofc midas is always a luxury way to approach the problem.

Can you share a replay pls? Would be nice.
I'm interested to see how the game played out until you hit that stage.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 06 2012 08:53 GMT
#9974
What do you guys think about the jD masters tournaments? I personally don't like it that much, because it doesn't tell you much about how good which team is. Seems like who wins mostly depends on who is invited, which appears to be pretty random. =/ I would like joinDOTA to organize one big event instead of these 10 little ones, tbh.
super gg
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 09:00:09
May 06 2012 08:59 GMT
#9975
Is there any way to make hero responses to be like in Dota 1? I absolutely love those and I find the new ones uninteresting and alien, really.
I managed to swap the spree sounds but I've no idea about responses

btw: it's perfectly legal to swap the spree sounds, it's just a few sound files, nothing that impacts the game, tons of people use those
Religion: Buckethead
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66366 Posts
May 06 2012 09:05 GMT
#9976
On May 06 2012 17:53 cecek wrote:
What do you guys think about the jD masters tournaments? I personally don't like it that much, because it doesn't tell you much about how good which team is. Seems like who wins mostly depends on who is invited, which appears to be pretty random. =/ I would like joinDOTA to organize one big event instead of these 10 little ones, tbh.

The Defense 2 is coming up
POGGERS
Pingvinen
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden78 Posts
May 06 2012 09:08 GMT
#9977
On May 06 2012 17:59 Incze wrote:
Is there any way to make hero responses to be like in Dota 1? I absolutely love those and I find the new ones uninteresting and alien, really.
I managed to swap the spree sounds but I've no idea about responses

btw: it's perfectly legal to swap the spree sounds, it's just a few sound files, nothing that impacts the game, tons of people use those


But blizzard owns the soundfiles from Dota 1. I am pretty sure Valve cannot take them just for our convience.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 09:12:27
May 06 2012 09:12 GMT
#9978
On May 06 2012 17:06 hideo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 15:09 whoso wrote:
yo guys. would you say phantom lancer is up there with the likes of void spectre am in terms if carrying potential? ive been wondering if its justified to count him as one of the 'superhard carries'.


Yah... he's a bit of a dark horse among hard carries, but he's right up there with medusa in terms of late game potential. You can find matches of PL outcarrying max inventory void and stuff like that.

The question with this is how much AoE the void's team have. If they aren't able to clear out the illusions I can easily imagine a PL outcarrying the Void. PL is a great last-pick, if you notice that the opponents team haven't picked any AoE in their lineup. Unfortunately the current metagame is so push/anti-push oriented that this is very unlikely nowadays.
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Frazzlehoon
Profile Joined July 2008
United States3455 Posts
May 06 2012 09:27 GMT
#9979
On May 06 2012 18:05 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 17:53 cecek wrote:
What do you guys think about the jD masters tournaments? I personally don't like it that much, because it doesn't tell you much about how good which team is. Seems like who wins mostly depends on who is invited, which appears to be pretty random. =/ I would like joinDOTA to organize one big event instead of these 10 little ones, tbh.

The Defense 2 is coming up


Not to mention The International 2 + Dreamhack happening soon too! But I guess those aren't exactly not jD hosted.
Coal
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden1535 Posts
May 06 2012 09:31 GMT
#9980
I'm rather new to Dota 2 and I'm not really 100 up to date with the current meta-game, but are other people doing lvl 1 Roshan too? I mean not like with the entire team like NextKZ did to Fnatic last night, but rather with two people?

So far I've done it with Ursa/Lich (super easy) Ursa/Brewmaster(also super easy) Ursa/Sven and Ursa/AM (rather tricky)

If we succeed, which we do 9 out of 10 times, we get aegis + tons of gold and both of us just one creep kill from lvl 4, we haven't lost a single game when we've done this successfully so far ^_^
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure.
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