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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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govie
9334 Posts
On March 16 2014 22:45 zezamer wrote: if your team sucks hard you cant splitpush shit because 4 ppl try to gang you all the time and your team cant get any advantage of it Thats a good thing, because you create space for the others to catch up and not waste time in mexican standoffs or dying. | ||
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
On March 16 2014 22:27 govie wrote: I cant recall that i kept saying that, but i do think that being able to jungle or/and splitpush (or other solo qualities) has its advantages in the pubs. You can win a game solo as a splitpusher or a ganker even when your team is feeding and the jungle can give you a certainty of xp and/or (more) farm. Lycan has two of those qualities and can push harder solo then most enemy lineups combined. He has multiple ways to infuence the outcome of the game. Maybe you are in a higher skillbracket or you maybe stack when you play IO? I almost never see a wisp and if i do, that team loses 95% of the time. I play alot of support because i enjoy it, no matter the outcome of the game. But if you want to tryhard in soloqeue, i would not advice playing supportroles in mediocre or low mmr. The communicationlevel, gamesence and skilllevel of most players is so low, that it spoils most ways for a support to have a game deciding impact. Ofcourse in a higher skilled game this could be reversed, but in mediocre and low mmr ranges this certainly isnt the case. I actually made a lowrating account some weeks ago and was going to make some short guides on how to win games as a support. I started at like 3.2k, went to 3.6k in 7 games and then when I tried to render I realized my computer is too shit so I couldn't do it. http://dotabuff.com/players/160786443/matches?page=6 Starts from Shadow Demon ends with Dazzle. Tried to feed with treant protector to get as low rating as possible. It's like one of those arguments Day9 had to fight when he did his dailys. "Being prepared for a 8min banshee timing doesn't work on my level cause they come later." If you can't punish obvious mistakes and holes in their play then you belong there. I soloqueue as wisp because I find the hero pretty fun. My soloqueue is like 5k, there are A LOT better players on TL than me. I have a lot to work on. Now I just use the lower rating accounts to help IRL friends / random people I know from TL to get better. Teaching 2+ players and playing yourself is pretty hard sometimes. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
On March 16 2014 23:06 DrPandaPhD wrote: Now I just use the lower rating accounts to help IRL friends / random people I know from TL to get better. Teaching 2+ players and playing yourself is pretty hard sometimes. Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I played with you on your main....................... | ||
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rob.au
1087 Posts
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makmeatt
2024 Posts
On March 16 2014 23:10 Firebolt145 wrote: Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I played with you on your main....................... Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I saw him playing on his main. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On March 16 2014 23:10 Firebolt145 wrote: Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I played with you on your main....................... shots fired | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
I think i understand your point tho, and yes, supportroles can have alot of game impact, but its alot harder to have game changing impact in a supportrole in low/mediocre ranked soloqeue game then it is in a midrole, a ganker or carryrole etc. As a support i am dependant on others to have a gamechanging impact, as a ganker, midrole, splitpusher etcetc i can have huge impact without the help of almost anyone. In most mediocre games the skill-, knowledge- and communicationlevel is just too low, therefore it is harder to have that same impact when many supportactivities arent cashed by your teamm8's. | ||
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Fwizzz
Philippines4420 Posts
On March 16 2014 22:28 DarkReign_ wrote: Maybe has left LGD. Very surprising since they were in decent condition. Really? Any source? | ||
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
On March 16 2014 23:10 Firebolt145 wrote: Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I played with you on your main....................... no one wants to play with a lycan picker | ||
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
nothing official yet, but rumours are abound with what happened in the backroom. It is sounding like a personal issue. Also govie, you aren't completely wrong, but there are days when 3k player just get in the zone and have plays that far exceeds that rating tag. It's less common in dota compared to something like cs obviously, but human randomness can never be taken out of the equation. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Secrets of 5000K MMR revealed. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
I'm now an Ember Spirit picker. | ||
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
On March 17 2014 00:23 govie wrote: DrPandaPhD, you cant compare a 5k player going to 3k mmr range to prove a 5k player can own a 3k pubgame even as a support? I think that this doesnt prove alot, except that you are better then most 3k players. As there will never be a 3k player that wakes up one day and is 2k better then he was yesterday. I think i understand your point tho, and yes, supportroles can have alot of game impact, but its alot harder to have game changing impact in a supportrole in low/mediocre ranked soloqeue game then it is in a midrole, a ganker or carryrole etc. As a support i am dependant on others to have a gamechanging impact, as a ganker, midrole, splitpusher etcetc i can have huge impact without the help of almost anyone. In most mediocre games the skill-, knowledge- and communicationlevel is just too low, therefore it is harder to have that same impact when many supportactivities arent cashed by your teamm8's. try playing support skywrath. hes a game changer and can kill almost every core alone in mid-late game. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On March 17 2014 00:23 govie wrote: DrPandaPhD, you cant compare a 5k player going to 3k mmr range to prove a 5k player can own a 3k pubgame even as a support? I think that this doesnt prove alot, except that you are better then most 3k players. As there will never be a 3k player that wakes up one day and is 2k better then he was yesterday. I think i understand your point tho, and yes, supportroles can have alot of game impact, but its alot harder to have game changing impact in a supportrole in low/mediocre ranked soloqeue game then it is in a midrole, a ganker or carryrole etc. As a support i am dependant on others to have a gamechanging impact, as a ganker, midrole, splitpusher etcetc i can have huge impact without the help of almost anyone. In most mediocre games the skill-, knowledge- and communicationlevel is just too low, therefore it is harder to have that same impact when many supportactivities arent cashed by your teamm8's. It just sounds like your support play is worse than your other roles. That's not true for everyone obviously. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On March 17 2014 01:37 ChunderBoy wrote: try playing support skywrath. hes a game changer and can kill almost every core alone in mid-late game. When i face him it allways hurts  maybe i should play him more | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
Deward the first set of wards Get carry a level advantage over offlane Smoke Mid Smoke offlane buy gem | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
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Grettin
42414 Posts
On March 17 2014 01:59 teapoted wrote: Will be interesting to see what the new BTS studio is like tonight. I mean to decide to ditch the old one I'd have to imagine it's something significantly better. But at the same time anything significantly better takes a lot more people to run. To build a studio like the dreamleague one (if you have the space) wouldn't exactly cost you tons if you have some carpentry skills and don't get top of the line cameras, but without people who manually control cameras and much more complex overlay systems then that studio isn't very impressive. Whens this happening? | ||
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