EPTalso the carry must have better presence than tiny in team fights ..
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goody153
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also the carry must have better presence than tiny in team fights .. | ||
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goody153
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On February 18 2014 22:55 teddyoojo wrote: 12 slotted sylla isnt going to outcarry shit btw both bears owning abyssal and mkb. Good luck moving from your spot. Doesn't matter even if you are faceless void if you can't kill syla during the chrono duration. But that's just in 1 on 1 situations .. I am well aware syla doesn't do as much as tiny during teamfights. | ||
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GentleDrill
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[EDIT] Eh, actually I dunno, needs testing I guess. | ||
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goody153
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On February 18 2014 23:14 GentleDrill wrote: Well you'd have to spend a slot getting mana on the bear to make use of the Abyssal. Also if you're talking about Void he can just Chrono you. You actually just get abyssal for the bear just for the permabash capacity and the mkb is for heroes who has evasion. That's why i said if void has enough damage to break sylla during chronosphere then void is dead. No matter what hero you are you won't do shit if you can't move. But this will only happen if other heroes don't interfere. Since 1 on 1 won't happen void will win. | ||
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Laurens
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edit: you seem to completely ignore bkb lol. edit2: indeed, bkb doesn't matter here, void still wrecks sylla 1v1. | ||
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goody153
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On February 18 2014 23:21 Laurens wrote: Yeah void would wreck Sylla in 1v1. Chrono is pretty good. edit: you seem to completely ignore bkb lol. Bash goes through Bkb dude. Icefrog still brought the mechanics of wc3 basher to dota 2. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Skull_Basher | ||
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solidbebe
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
![[image loading]](http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/c/cc/Medusa_icon.png){kind=icon} Strongest teamfight hardcarry reporting in. Also 12-slotted sylla is severely overrated, lol. | ||
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goody153
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On February 18 2014 23:27 Unleashing wrote: Strongest teamfight hardcarry reporting in. How did i forget medusa. That shit wreck teams in max items. Anyways why is medusa no longer being used in pro games nowadays ? i mean medusa almost has the same role as gyrocopter. | ||
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Unleashing
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Super situational and needs a fuckton of farm. Her ult buff did help, but yeah, still a bit too much of a lategame hero though. Not that it can't work, Na'Vi definitely made it work after all. | ||
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goody153
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But just pure right click duels i am pretty sure nobody beats syllabear due to two bashers. | ||
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goody153
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On February 18 2014 23:31 Unleashing wrote: She has nowehre near the same role as gyrocopter, his skill set allows him to be far more aggressive and relevant earlygame. Medusa rarely has any early-game impact, I think the only team that ran it with success was Na'Vi for a while which stopped again. Gyro does more earlier and with less items, medusa does more later and with more items. Super situational and needs a fuckton of farm. Her ult buff did help, but yeah, still a bit too much of a lategame hero though. Not that it can't work, Na'Vi definitely made it work after all. Oh so that's why. I felt like they fulfilled the same role since they both deal shit tons of damage in a area. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On February 18 2014 23:30 goody153 wrote: How did i forget medusa. That shit wreck teams in max items. Anyways why is medusa no longer being used in pro games nowadays ? i mean medusa almost has the same role as gyrocopter. except that medusa is shit and gyro isnt | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On February 18 2014 23:49 teddyoojo wrote: except that medusa is shit and gyro isnt If you mean shit because of how much farm she needs, sure i agree entirely. But she IS the superior fully slotted carry between the two of them. | ||
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GentleDrill
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+ Show Spoiler + Void has Bfly, Daedalus, Satanic, Mjollnir, MKB, Treads. Sylla has Heart, Bfly, Abyssal, MKB, Daedalus, Treads. Bear has AC, MKB, Abyssal, Daedalus, Mjollnir, Phase. It basically comes down to RNG (as you'd expect when bash is involved) but Void seems to be somewhat favoured. Void can barely not kill Sylla during Chrono with those items, but there seems to be a good chance that he'll just chain bash Sylla for the couple of seconds it takes afterwards, so Sylla can't even use Abyssal. If Sylla does get the Abyssal off Void dies very quickly, but there is still a chance he can activate Satanic and get a couple hits off, which will usually mean he wins. Also, if Void just goes for the bear he can generally kill it very quickly (depends a bit on crits). However, I did have some runs where Sylla was able to beat Void even without the bear if he got lucky bashes, and swapped Heart for Satanic, but the latter is risky as he comes out of the Chrono significantly closer to death. So to summarise, from my bad tests with my awful mechanics it seems Void is favoured, but the margin is small and hard to judge due to very high variance. Also I don't know if I should've used other items. | ||
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