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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
January 25 2014 10:50 GMT
#94681
OD should win like any other MU but he won't crush the invoker, as long as you go exort.

Pretty simple.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
January 25 2014 10:55 GMT
#94682
Shouldnt Silencer theoretically be able to be OD's worst nightmare if he somehow got ahead of him and stole all his intelligence ? :D
In the woods, there lurks..
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
January 25 2014 11:44 GMT
#94683
yeah u only need to kill od 100 times so no int = hero countered
then again u might also lose against any other hero if you die 100 times )
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
January 25 2014 12:02 GMT
#94684
On January 25 2014 16:49 Aui_2000 wrote:
invoker vs od really isn't that bad guys

Lol! I'm accepting apologies, guys. No rush, I can wait.
super gg
dravernor
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Netherlands6192 Posts
January 25 2014 12:05 GMT
#94685
On January 25 2014 09:56 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Just showing of my new sig courtesy of tl.dota2. Also is Invoker a hard counter to OD, or did that guy just want to cover up losing his lane worse than I lost mine?

Hahahahahahaha that is an awesome sig.
<3
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 12:48:29
January 25 2014 12:46 GMT
#94686
'great' minds think alike !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 25 2014 12:48 GMT
#94687
I keep forgetting they don't have humor in France.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
January 25 2014 13:11 GMT
#94688
Silencer does perfectly fine against OD as well, having superior range and harassing options lets him get the upper hand the first couple of levels and more or less forces OD to run bottle. Even once OD has the mana to continously imprison he needs to think about it since only having 1 active spell means you can eat full last word/curses and end up not even winning on CS while having to bottle crow.
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
January 25 2014 13:28 GMT
#94689
Lich also does well against OD, because denies. Also, Lone Druid, Kunkka, Razor and Viper are all fine matchups.
super gg
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 14:14:08
January 25 2014 13:44 GMT
#94690
enigma too

Deals Pure damage if the target will die from the hit

just read that about invokers emp on liquipedia, what exactly does that mean?
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 14:42:06
January 25 2014 14:39 GMT
#94691
On January 25 2014 22:44 teddyoojo wrote:
enigma too

Show nested quote +
Deals Pure damage if the target will die from the hit

just read that about invokers emp on liquipedia, what exactly does that mean?

Damage type: Direct HP removal if the target will not die from the hit, else Pure.

Probably something to do with dota 1 coding, pure/direct hp removal aren't exactly the same but since EMP is blocked by bkb they're pretty much the same in this instance.
edit - the difference is that if it's pure it will be affected by things like spectre refraction or bristleback or coco's rum, basically.


Also - what's with the next.kz new throwing scandal? There doesn't really seem to be a ton of proof at the moment other than "really bad draft."
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
January 25 2014 14:43 GMT
#94692
http://egamingbets.com/news/Bets_on_Nextkz_vs_Relax_cancelled Probably this?
super gg
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
January 25 2014 14:44 GMT
#94693
On January 25 2014 23:43 cecek wrote:
http://egamingbets.com/news/Bets_on_Nextkz_vs_Relax_cancelled Probably this?

Yeah, just surprised that I hadn't seen anyone mention it in GD or that there wasn't a thread on it on TL.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 15:18:43
January 25 2014 14:53 GMT
#94694
On January 25 2014 17:12 LeLoup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2014 17:06 etherealfall wrote:
What about silencer vs OD mid? With glaives and last word, would it be quite effective against OD? I've only played that one match up once since ranked came out and found it to be a rather easy match up for silencer.


what? It's the same deal. You end up with no mana, less damage, and on top of everything your auto attack is garbage in comparison. He zones you out entirely and if he runs a bottle (which I see a lot of ODs doing now) he is going to have full mana and be able to eat the last words as much as he wants till you can't cast spells.

There's a big difference with Silencer is that he's actually a far stronger hero at level 1 due to much higher base damage and an orb attack. Being bullied a lot less level 1 matters a lot here.

On January 25 2014 22:44 teddyoojo wrote:
enigma too

Show nested quote +
Deals Pure damage if the target will die from the hit

just read that about invokers emp on liquipedia, what exactly does that mean?

HP removal can't be lethal. All HP removal sources have triggers to check whether they would be lethal and do a non-HP removal damage instance on lethal hits so they can actually kill.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
January 25 2014 14:59 GMT
#94695
On January 25 2014 23:53 TheYango wrote:
HP removal can't be lethal. All HP removal sources have triggers to check whether they would be lethal and do a non-HP removal damage instance on lethal hits so they can actually kill.

Interesting, how does Urn work with this?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 15:10:12
January 25 2014 15:03 GMT
#94696
It does 50 magical damage if the last tick would be lethal.

Interestingly, different HP removal sources have different lethal triggers for some reason. Heartstopper Aura does 100 physical + 100 magical + 100 pure; EMP sets the target's HP to 1, then does the normal damage value in magic damage; VS' Wave of Terror does 1.33x HP removal amount in magic damage. Normally these differences don't matter because the target dies anyway, but in DotA 1 there are certain cases where they make a difference--for example an Abaddon with ult active survives each skill with a different amount of HP, depending on which lethal damage trigger was supposed to kill him.
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GentleDrill
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom672 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 15:49:59
January 25 2014 15:48 GMT
#94697
That Heartstopper one is interesting, does it mean that if a unit had enough HP that a single tick would be more than 300 HP they can't die from it? (though even if the skill only ticked once per second which I'm pretty sure it doesn't you'd still need something like 20k+ HP).
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
January 25 2014 16:16 GMT
#94698
On January 26 2014 00:48 GentleDrill wrote:
That Heartstopper one is interesting, does it mean that if a unit had enough HP that a single tick would be more than 300 HP they can't die from it? (though even if the skill only ticked once per second which I'm pretty sure it doesn't you'd still need something like 20k+ HP).

i think it only means they go down to 1 hp instead of dying on next tick and die on the next tick
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
January 25 2014 17:32 GMT
#94699
Is Aghanims Refresher still good on Warlock without the ult impact damage? It seems kind of underwhelming to me... I'm thinking going for something different like forcestaff, hex or shiva is much better now.
super gg
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
January 25 2014 17:34 GMT
#94700
On January 26 2014 02:32 cecek wrote:
Is Aghanims Refresher still good on Warlock without the ult impact damage? It seems kind of underwhelming to me... I'm thinking going for something different like forcestaff, hex or shiva is much better now.

the impact damage was never a really big deal, the double golems are the majority of the dps from warlock ult.
:)
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