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United States47024 Posts
On January 15 2014 09:15 Gevna wrote:
SF is a bitch, screw up a bit the first 2 waves, and then you're done mid is lost :-/
People actually over-state how bad "losing" the first few waves is. Honestly if you get to level 5 + Bottle without being behind on levels, it's basically impossible to stop you from farming.
The main thing is 1) you have to get your Bottle, 2) you have to not die. If you have Bottle and levels you can just clear with Raze and catch up fast taking some jungle, but if you fall even a level behind from dying, getting ganked, or even having to go home, you can get solo killed by basically any mid with a level advantage (particularly at a level 6 or 7 timing). Alternatively if you get caught in a position where you can't quite get the gold for your Bottle, you're stuck as well because without Bottle you have to go home which goes back to the first part about being behind on levels.
The distinction here is important because it means that being too greedy for those first few waves can net you a loss. Starting with 2 Slippers or skimping on regen at level 1 for slightly more damage often will be a net loss if the enemy abuses the gank/solo kill opportunities that you skipping on early all stats or regen creates.
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Thats actually completely true. Early SF laning is mostly about surviving and squeaking out the souls you can
Then you just outfarm them.
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On January 15 2014 09:42 Jaeger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 09:38 Doraemon wrote:On January 15 2014 09:30 BallinWitStalin wrote:
Is steam fuckin up for anyone else? isn't today the maintenance day? well for AUS server it's down the whole day today. also. 100cs at 10minutes, is that even possible without neutrals? IIRC 78 is perfect lane cs @ 10m
Maybe he is counting all cs. lh and deny. Only thing I can think of.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On January 15 2014 08:53 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 08:41 Targe wrote:On January 15 2014 08:32 teddyoojo wrote:
and then they will start lasthitting too late too often doing that tripled the cs i was able to get by 10 mins, its definitely worth doing to start off learning to last hit why dont u just do that with 60 (about what you normally have) dmg instead of 40 will stop u from lasthitting too early aswell but wont make u lasthit too late ???
like icefrog's balance it was easiest to go too far then reel it back.
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On January 15 2014 09:38 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 09:30 BallinWitStalin wrote:
Is steam fuckin up for anyone else? isn't today the maintenance day? well for AUS server it's down the whole day today. also. 100cs at 10minutes, is that even possible without neutrals?
Think 10 to 1 that early is perfect? Don't remember the math, but pre-15 min mark, 7:1 in lane is like 90+% of all available farm if I am remembering my old mathcraft right. Which is to say probably not.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
A perfect lane is like 80 CS, this means that somewhere in that time you managed to find 20 neutrals as well.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
who got there before me? youre speedy
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On January 15 2014 10:10 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 08:53 teddyoojo wrote:On January 15 2014 08:41 Targe wrote:On January 15 2014 08:32 teddyoojo wrote:
and then they will start lasthitting too late too often doing that tripled the cs i was able to get by 10 mins, its definitely worth doing to start off learning to last hit why dont u just do that with 60 (about what you normally have) dmg instead of 40 will stop u from lasthitting too early aswell but wont make u lasthit too late ??? like icefrog's balance it was easiest to go too far then reel it back.
difference is theres literally no reason to go to far when you can go exactly right
On January 15 2014 11:37 Targe wrote:
who got there before me? youre speedy
you said that 13 min after his post, speedy :D
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
xD
wtf, rtz BoT, bottle, drums, radiance at 20 min, is this real life
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this is r-god wat u expect
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man its so hard to get 82 cs in 10 in this game we need towers to do set dmg pls that will make the game more fun and user friendly
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United States47024 Posts
On January 15 2014 11:12 Rhyme wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Mv9is2a.png)
You may not necessarily include the 9:30 wave when counting "perfect" CS though, because unless the particular scenario calls for you to insta-clear it, it won't necessarily be dead at the 10 minute mark.
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On January 15 2014 12:46 TheYango wrote:You may not necessarily include the 9:30 wave when counting "perfect" CS though, because unless the particular scenario calls for you to insta-clear it, it won't necessarily be dead at the 10 minute mark.
sure, it's mostly for a benchmark
though i'd personally consider it fair game, since it's right before a rune spawn
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man this thread got boring 
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we could always talk about buffing treant
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I find it unsettling having my game being patched without knowing exactly what has changed. Anyone know what the most recent 36.4mb patch did?
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well a patch is either hats or preparation for hats so did we get new hats yet y/n?
fucking dotalounge not working whole night now finally bot trades me and error has occured fml
i just want eesama to give me my rares
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