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chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 17:53:54
April 28 2012 17:53 GMT
#9321
Maybe somebody could enlighten me why exactly Bane never sees competetive play and is listed in the bottom tier almost all the time? He has two awesome disables, a decent nuke/selfheal and (at least on paper) an anti-carry spell.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
April 28 2012 17:55 GMT
#9322
Well he has absolutey 0 aoe and both his disables are cancelable. Pretty much this.
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wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
April 28 2012 17:57 GMT
#9323
current meta revolves more around pushing and bane just doesn't fit into that very well
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
April 28 2012 18:22 GMT
#9324
Just to single target oriented hero.
Can't do anything against a strong pusher.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 28 2012 18:34 GMT
#9325
On April 29 2012 02:53 chocopaw wrote:
Maybe somebody could enlighten me why exactly Bane never sees competetive play and is listed in the bottom tier almost all the time? He has two awesome disables, a decent nuke/selfheal and (at least on paper) an anti-carry spell.


He has seen some play by DTS/Navi and I think M5. His main problem is lack of push/anti push I think so in a metagame all about pushing down towers it's hard for him to fit into a lineup but he sometimes does. People outside of Russian/Eastern Europe don't seem to experiment past the "tried and tested" heroes I think.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 18:40:33
April 28 2012 18:38 GMT
#9326
bat + bkb + TP in beta was the shit


On April 29 2012 02:53 chocopaw wrote:
Maybe somebody could enlighten me why exactly Bane never sees competetive play and is listed in the bottom tier almost all the time? He has two awesome disables, a decent nuke/selfheal and (at least on paper) an anti-carry spell.


well bane is heavyly single target disabler so compare to shadow shaman and lion he lack of crow control ability. His first skill is mostly useless. The best thing about him is an ulti going through BKB but batrider do a much better job with AoE abilities.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 28 2012 18:46 GMT
#9327
His disable can also be used against the team with smart play
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Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
April 28 2012 19:06 GMT
#9328
I'd like to see a team messing up the farm of the enemy teams carry with bane's first skill during the laning phase. Try lasthitting with -50 damage at lvl 3. Would probably be just a fun build though

Also bane has no real way to get any farm, but he could need some items like blink dagger. High cooldown skills don't help him either.
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
April 28 2012 19:12 GMT
#9329
you dont have the mana pool early to spam your first skill, all your skills are mana intensive
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
April 28 2012 19:21 GMT
#9330
On April 29 2012 04:06 Mafe wrote:
I'd like to see a team messing up the farm of the enemy teams carry with bane's first skill during the laning phase. Try lasthitting with -50 damage at lvl 3. Would probably be just a fun build though

Also bane has no real way to get any farm, but he could need some items like blink dagger. High cooldown skills don't help him either.

well the thing is most of the heroes in the current meta game has a 'guarentee farm' skill.

Take off lane solo heroes for example: WR spam powershot, beast spam axe, brood..... you cant really simply deny enemy farm by taking away their attack dmg. Even if you can, its you who dont have anyfarm bc you have to stay lane and bully a DPS carrier. Not even just that, bane 1st skill mana cost is quite high to just spam in lane. The most common way to build bane is still 1 or 2 level of stats before ulti just because of his high mana cost.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 19:41:28
April 28 2012 19:29 GMT
#9331
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edit :
A soul ring and brain sap spam is one of the most annoying things in the game to lane against in a solo scenario. You could do the same with his q but why? And it's a % based decrease so at level 3 it's not going to give any -50 damage unless they have 100 base damage (and then they're only gonna a bit behind your last hit damage anyways). Unless you mean level 3 of the skill?

Other reason for stats is that nightmare has an insanely long disable with just one point and bane's q just isn't very useful until much later.
Rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1332 Posts
April 28 2012 19:43 GMT
#9332
any dota historians wanna help me out here, tourney game a LONG time ago(2005?2006?) where col.fear is on clinkz and runs behind bottom tower, snipes the chicken and takes like nearly a full mek worth of items? I'd like to see that game again but I have no idea what to search for.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 28 2012 19:49 GMT
#9333
On April 29 2012 04:06 Mafe wrote:
I'd like to see a team messing up the farm of the enemy teams carry with bane's first skill during the laning phase. Try lasthitting with -50 damage at lvl 3. Would probably be just a fun build though

Also bane has no real way to get any farm, but he could need some items like blink dagger. High cooldown skills don't help him either.

You're forgetting about his obscene mana costs.
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Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
April 28 2012 19:51 GMT
#9334
On April 29 2012 04:21 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 04:06 Mafe wrote:
I'd like to see a team messing up the farm of the enemy teams carry with bane's first skill during the laning phase. Try lasthitting with -50 damage at lvl 3. Would probably be just a fun build though

Also bane has no real way to get any farm, but he could need some items like blink dagger. High cooldown skills don't help him either.

well the thing is most of the heroes in the current meta game has a 'guarentee farm' skill.

Take off lane solo heroes for example: WR spam powershot, beast spam axe, brood..... you cant really simply deny enemy farm by taking away their attack dmg. Even if you can, its you who dont have anyfarm bc you have to stay lane and bully a DPS carrier. Not even just that, bane 1st skill mana cost is quite high to just spam in lane. The most common way to build bane is still 1 or 2 level of stats before ulti just because of his high mana cost.

Well there's a reason I said "carry" and not "off lane solo hero". More precisely, I was thinking of antimage, void, spectre, heroes that typically farm with heir autoattack while being protected in a trilane. You might go trilane vs trilane and give your carry a farm advantage.

But anyway, you are surely correct in saying it is not good strategy, even more so in the current metagame which. It is just something I have thought of once since bane got introduced into dota 2.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 19:54:54
April 28 2012 19:54 GMT
#9335
On April 29 2012 04:51 Mafe wrote:
Well there's a reason I said "carry" and not "off lane solo hero". More precisely, I was thinking of antimage, void, spectre, heroes that typically farm with heir autoattack while being protected in a trilane. You might go trilane vs trilane and give your carry a farm advantage.

But anyway, you are surely correct in saying it is not good strategy, even more so in the current metagame which. It is just something I have thought of once since bane got introduced into dota 2.

The other problem with this idea is that if you're leveling Enfeeble early, Bane is going to be a useless hero midgame. Who cares if their carry is getting zero farm. The fact that your team has a useless hero that leveled a skill that has little to no midgame teamfight potential means that their team can make a lot of space for their carry to catch up midgame.

Carry farm isn't the end-all-be-all.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
April 28 2012 20:06 GMT
#9336
Trilane vs. trilane isn't about passive farming anyway... They're gonna have trouble as is getting any farm, but if you've got enfeeble in a trilane you're probably gonna die. I don't really see a good use for it anywhere. Anyone good will take advantage of it and kill you when you're vulnerable.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 28 2012 21:24 GMT
#9337
Eaziest stream of mah laife.

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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
April 28 2012 21:46 GMT
#9338
Playing initiator against Ursa + Sladar is no fun.
My Axe felt like tissue papper. ~~
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 21:51:45
April 28 2012 21:46 GMT
#9339
SingSing

ROFL hahahahahahahahahahahaha

randomly flaming his teammate with ingame voice :D :D :D :D :D
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
April 28 2012 21:50 GMT
#9340
On April 29 2012 06:46 Noocta wrote:
Playing initiator against Ursa + Sladar is no fun.
My Axe felt like tissue papper. ~~

Blademail -> GG
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