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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 28 2012 22:58 rabidch wrote: restreaming chinese dota. DK vs LOH (low tier team) http://www.twitch.tv/cinco__es/ DK going with the solo mid Tide again (admittedly it seems like it'd be quite strong against LoH's picks). Burning playing it this time, though? | ||
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SirMilford
Australia1269 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 28 2012 23:02 TheYango wrote: DK going with the solo mid Tide again (admittedly it seems like it'd be quite strong against LoH's picks). Burning playing it this time, though? tidehunter isnt strong enough to have farm devoted to him i think, and they had a bad start. personally i dont think the mid lane tidehunter is an efficient way of utilizing the kind of farm and exp you can get from it | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 28 2012 23:27 Whole wrote: Well here is another question for you guys. What is a good item build for Furion. I use this guide currently, but it might be outdated. Basically, the item build on the guide is Ring of Basil (starting) -> Hand of Midas rush -> Treads -> Drums -> Maelstrom. Then I go Scythe then Mjolinor. Is this still a good item build? Is there a more optimal build for a Furion centered around pushing? It's hard to call a single build "optimal" on Furion when he is simply such a flexible hero. You can build pretty much anything on him--how good it is comes down to teams and how the game is developing. That said, there are two things that I would make note of. First is that I really don't like Basilius on him. It really doesn't do anything for you. You pass the break point at which Sobi Mask out-regens Basilius by like level 3 if you started with branches, and both Medallion and Urn are better Sobi Mask based items for him. The armor also doesn't really help you, since your Treants will usually time out rather than dying if you're microing them. The other thing is that you really shouldn't commit to early Midas on him. If you get FB, it can be good to buy it in 5-7 minutes, but if you don't get a kill or two early, straight farming Midas is somewhat ineffective, especially as early-game ganking items like Urn and Medallion can make your ganks significantly more potent. Personally, I like the Chinese style of going Urn->Treads->later Midas. You focus in getting your Urn and Boots out early for potent ganks in the early stages of the game, and get Midas as you enter midgame, where you will be split-pushing and farming a lot anyway. On April 28 2012 23:37 rabidch wrote: tidehunter isnt strong enough to have farm devoted to him i think, and they had a bad start. personally i dont think the mid lane tidehunter is an efficient way of utilizing the kind of farm and exp you can get from it Isn't DK guaranteed to be qualified for the HFGL offline tournament (I think they've won every HFGL qualifier game prior to this one)? I think it's possible for them to just be screwing around at this point. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 28 2012 23:38 TheYango wrote: It's hard to call a single build "optimal" on Furion when he is simply such a flexible hero. You can build pretty much anything on him--how good it is comes down to teams and how the game is developing. That said, there are two things that I would make note of. First is that I really don't like Basilius on him. It really doesn't do anything for you. You pass the break point at which Sobi Mask out-regens Basilius by like level 3 if you started with branches, and both Medallion and Urn are better Sobi Mask based items for him. The armor also doesn't really help you, since your Treants will usually time out rather than dying if you're microing them. The other thing is that you really shouldn't commit to early Midas on him. If you get FB, it can be good to buy it in 5-7 minutes, but if you don't get a kill or two early, straight farming Midas is somewhat ineffective, especially as early-game ganking items like Urn and Medallion can make your ganks significantly more potent. Personally, I like the Chinese style of going Urn->Treads->later Midas. You focus in getting your Urn and Boots out early for potent ganks in the early stages of the game, and get Midas as you enter midgame, where you will be split-pushing and farming a lot anyway. Isn't DK guaranteed to be qualified for the HFGL offline tournament (I think they've won every HFGL qualifier game prior to this one)? I think it's possible for them to just be screwing around at this point. maybe. they just came back and crushed in game 2 though. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On April 28 2012 23:38 TheYango wrote: It's hard to call a single build "optimal" on Furion when he is simply such a flexible hero. You can build pretty much anything on him--how good it is comes down to teams and how the game is developing. That said, there are two things that I would make note of. First is that I really don't like Basilius on him. It really doesn't do anything for you. You pass the break point at which Sobi Mask out-regens Basilius by like level 3 if you started with branches, and both Medallion and Urn are better Sobi Mask based items for him. The armor also doesn't really help you, since your Treants will usually time out rather than dying if you're microing them. The other thing is that you really shouldn't commit to early Midas on him. If you get FB, it can be good to buy it in 5-7 minutes, but if you don't get a kill or two early, straight farming Midas is somewhat ineffective, especially as early-game ganking items like Urn and Medallion can make your ganks significantly more potent. Personally, I like the Chinese style of going Urn->Treads->later Midas. You focus in getting your Urn and Boots out early for potent ganks in the early stages of the game, and get Midas as you enter midgame, where you will be split-pushing and farming a lot anyway. That makes a lot more sense. When I played Furion, straight Midas rush never let me gank early. It was depressing because I had a 20 second CD global teleport, but could only push a little with it. So after going Urn -> Treads -> Midas, should I go into the typical Drums -> Maelstrom build (unless of course, the situation calls for something else)? | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On April 29 2012 00:33 Kipsate wrote: I really like Medallion on Furion, its incredibly cheap and really effective for ganking(aswell as farming, your medallion should never be on cd when in the jungle, just use it on the creeps) Shouldn't it always be on cd? | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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hideo
Canada1641 Posts
On April 29 2012 00:13 Whole wrote: That makes a lot more sense. When I played Furion, straight Midas rush never let me gank early. It was depressing because I had a 20 second CD global teleport, but could only push a little with it. So after going Urn -> Treads -> Midas, should I go into the typical Drums -> Maelstrom build (unless of course, the situation calls for something else)? You've just got to get used to the fact that Furion works amazingly well with a HUGE variety of items. The only item I find absolutely indispensable on him with any style of play is sheepstick. That global hex is too good, he's capable of farming it up quickly if necessary (vs blink heroes for example), and is the x factor that makes solo-killing a cinch and risk-free. support-ish: urn medallion mek - for pushing lineup or to counter aoe lineup force staff - to counter many burst physical heroes like ursa or riki for example, also clockwork semi-carry ganker/pusher: dagon rush - sick for dismantling trilane strats or against lineups with squishy core heores necrobook rush - for true sight and/or pushing power shadowblade - make your global ganks even better, easier to coordinate with allies (tp to fog) desolator/manta - take down buildings faster aghanims - kinda forces you into a very set style focused on map control and counterpushing (shouldn't do this against tinker/morph) DPS-ish: orchid mjollnir mkb AC DR - dat bd potential | ||
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5-s
United States1674 Posts
On April 28 2012 23:39 NB wrote: geezz, im sleeping early these days so i missed the IH last nite -_- It's alright my captain picked like 4 farming heroes and a lich so i just last hit a lotta creeps, not very interesting. | ||
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Imbajoe
United States857 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 29 2012 01:56 5-s wrote: It's alright my captain picked like 4 farming heroes and a lich so i just last hit a lotta creeps, not very interesting. somebody sounds bitter | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 29 2012 02:06 Whole wrote: I never used Necrobook before, but I know a little about it. Is it good to upgrade it? you always get necrobook in mind to upgrade it. always. level 1 and 2 arent useful at all. level 3 is when it becomes useful | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On April 29 2012 02:06 Whole wrote: I never used Necrobook before, but I know a little about it. Is it good to upgrade it? it burns a shit load of mana, give you true sight to counter invisible heroes as well as wards, have attack speed and Move speed aura. and the most ridiculus part is: if the enemy kill 1 of the summons, they take a huge pure dmg nuke. The item it self give you str and int which is really good for int support heroes. | ||
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xsevR
United States324 Posts
For a long time, the only thing preventing you from attacking your allies was a hex affect that automatically was casted on your hero when you targeted an ally. BKB makes you immune to magic so essentially it served the double purpose of the teamkilling item (it also had an insane duration that didn't get shorter). There was nothing like carrying a game and killing both teams at the end for lulz. Less epic were the friends pubbing together and backstabbing their team. When Tiny first came out (possibly for a while after), it was possible to throw Roshan into the mid lane at level 7. It would only work on Sentinel, but he would easily destroy the first two Scourge towers, and then your team could kill him. The first version of mekansm gave some minor stats + regen, but also a 20 percent chance upon taking damage to proc a 3 (possibly more, can't remember) second invulnerability. At this same time in the game, a yasha recipe sold for more than it bought for. I remember farming the first 10 minutes selling recipes and running out with like 3 mekansms (or any other combination of items) and just surprise massacring. After some levels even their fountain wasn't safe because the fast attack speed meant constant invulnerability :D | ||
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