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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 09 2013 17:52 GMT
#89881
In general going Treads before Bfury right now seems a lot safer, RoH>Treads with points in stats makes you survivable enough.
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NotYango
Profile Joined December 2013
United States719 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 18:08:19
December 09 2013 18:06 GMT
#89882
Treads before BF was usually the better play in pubs to begin with. The only time getting the naked BF with just Brown Boots was defensible really was if your lane was totally free--otherwise having Boots+RoH+Claymore lets you get pushed around by anyone that comes to your lane way more easily than if you had Treads+RoH. In competitive play you'd see trilane play coordinated enough to give an AM a lane that free, but in pubs with inconsistent support play and 2-1-2 lanes being more common, you almost never get a lane where being that greedy is appropriate.
yango pls
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 18:16:08
December 09 2013 18:13 GMT
#89883
Im the worst AM, but my best i get from loda. I saw him one time go for te poormansshield and against a bristleback like hero a wand. and then RoH, BF. Still i suck but it was the best build at the time. I dont need boots because i can blink away any time and vlads are less usefull without damage output anyway. So delaying everything for RoH is fine and life becomes alot easier after.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 18:28:49
December 09 2013 18:28 GMT
#89884
On December 10 2013 03:13 govie wrote:
Im the worst AM, but my best i get from loda. I saw him one time go for te poormansshield and against a bristleback like hero a wand. and then RoH, BF. Still i suck but it was the best build at the time. I dont need boots because i can blink away any time and vlads are less usefull without damage output anyway. So delaying everything for RoH is fine and life becomes alot easier after.

If you dont get boots, you are gonna have a bad time.

And be the worst AM.

On December 10 2013 03:06 NotYango wrote:
Treads before BF was usually the better play in pubs to begin with. The only time getting the naked BF with just Brown Boots was defensible really was if your lane was totally free--otherwise having Boots+RoH+Claymore lets you get pushed around by anyone that comes to your lane way more easily than if you had Treads+RoH. In competitive play you'd see trilane play coordinated enough to give an AM a lane that free, but in pubs with inconsistent support play and 2-1-2 lanes being more common, you almost never get a lane where being that greedy is appropriate.


Thing is you pretty much can't jungle with battlefury without treads anyways. Or you will take a huge amount of damage.
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
December 09 2013 18:46 GMT
#89885
you guys are forgetting the most important item of all, a blade of quelling.
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
December 09 2013 19:14 GMT
#89886
Ofc ran would need QB. The timing for it is highly situational. Sometimes you even want to pick it up as late as getting it after finishing your BF. n_n
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
December 09 2013 19:14 GMT
#89887
QB after bfury is super legit.
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
December 09 2013 19:16 GMT
#89888
On December 10 2013 04:14 dismiss wrote:
Ofc ran would need QB. The timing for it is highly situational. Sometimes you even want to pick it up as late as getting it after finishing your BF. n_n


no... u pick it up before so you can clear jungle camps in between waves. no wonder u cant carry silly lampen.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 19:25:37
December 09 2013 19:23 GMT
#89889
In my opinion/rant... please don't pick a starting QB for a duolane vs duolane Nothing is worse than being a weaker (or just lone) support trying to hand hold some brainless carry when went QB for a duo vs duo lane where the other side has something like 2 ranged heroes or 2 heroes with harass. You shouldn't start with QB anyways really since it's available from side shop, but if it's 2v1 or a trilane it's at least excusable. It's not excusable when you're constantly at 50% hp in duo vs duo because a single harass auto-attack wrecks your no stats no armor weak shell of a hero.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 09 2013 19:24 GMT
#89890
Nobody's recommending starting with it LOL. Side shop op etc.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
December 09 2013 19:25 GMT
#89891
starting with a QB lets u cut down trees in specific patterns before creeps arrive at the lane and can often be quite useful
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
December 09 2013 19:26 GMT
#89892
I know no one is recommending it, but I see it all the time and it drives me nuts. I just had to rant since people were talking about it anyways .
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
December 09 2013 19:27 GMT
#89893
starting with qb is kinda wonky. better off just getting a shield and some regen and finish pms/get qb at sideshop.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 19:33:20
December 09 2013 19:32 GMT
#89894
I had a Bounty Hunter start with QB in a game yesterday. I was expecting him to have some weird tree routes he was going to cut out so he could soak safe exp, but no, it was for his 1v3 offlane last hitting.

#highlevelgaming


Edit: Weirdest part was that his build was pretty legit otherwise. Vlads and stuff, not your ye olde Bfury that I used to see in trashcan bracket. Maybe it was a misclick.
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zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 19:42:52
December 09 2013 19:41 GMT
#89895
When I started dota I played AM every game,my go to build was, start with QB,tango,salve. Then send courier to secret shop and bring roh to me. Pretty legit I'd say

plz start with stout instead of QP
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
December 09 2013 19:43 GMT
#89896
you deserve to get banned for sending courier to secret shop when you can buy a ring at the sideshop.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
December 09 2013 19:44 GMT
#89897
Disclaimer: sending courier to secret shop to bring you a roh is not legit.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
December 09 2013 19:44 GMT
#89898
On December 10 2013 04:32 FuzzyJAM wrote:
I had a Bounty Hunter start with QB in a game yesterday. I was expecting him to have some weird tree routes he was going to cut out so he could soak safe exp, but no, it was for his 1v3 offlane last hitting.

#highlevelgaming


Edit: Weirdest part was that his build was pretty legit otherwise. Vlads and stuff, not your ye olde Bfury that I used to see in trashcan bracket. Maybe it was a misclick.


Yes exactly! I see completely reasonable players otherwise completely tank themselves with a slow start because they grab QB in a 2v2, 1v2, or 1v3 situation where they then get zoned out super easily and end up last hitting far less than they should + they end up endangering the lane because they offer no disincentive for the other team to dive on them or their support.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
December 09 2013 19:50 GMT
#89899
On December 10 2013 04:44 PassiveAce wrote:
Disclaimer: sending courier to secret shop to bring you a roh is not legit.


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Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
December 09 2013 19:52 GMT
#89900
http://blog.dota2.com/2013/12/finally-frostivus/

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