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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On December 05 2013 05:22 Comeh wrote: Completely different issue however. it's more like a NBA player not allowed to be seen in the stands of a stadium for some fictional rival basketball league. Its more like an NBA player's contract is terminated if he plays any other "multiplayer team oriented arena sport" on camera | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:50 Plansix wrote: It doesn't really matter anyway. Riot is LoL, they're not going to get into some petty contract dispute with a player because they have all the power. All they need to do is send them a little note saying 'please don't play this game' and then no one will. People will rebel now and the clause will either be removed or the players will get a stern talking to. But after a week or so, people won't be breaking this contract if that clause still exists.Title likely wasn't known or out when the contract was drafted. Courts don't like you prohibiting things that may exist during the length of the contract. On December 05 2013 05:03 NotYango wrote: While I agree with what you're trying to say I don't think this kind of stuff is 'that kind of stuff'.A lot of this stuff has indirectly benefited DotA 2 tbh. For example the entire LCS system relegating non-Riot tournaments to second-class status caused the falling out between Riot and MLG which opened a slot for DotA 2. Were it not for that, we wouldn't have had one of the best DotA 2 LAN events of all time. I mean LCS setting up their own thing and leaving room for Dota is in a separate category from being anti-competitive with their contracts to players, tournament organisers, and teams. So sure, LCS and WCS mean that Dota is the most attractive esport for an independent organisation by a mile. But that's a different discussion. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On December 05 2013 05:27 Kupon3ss wrote: Doesn't Shaq have a whole show about him cross-training in a bunch of different sports... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaq_Vs.Its more like an NBA player's contract is terminated if he plays any other "multiplayer team oriented arena sport" on camera | ||
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On December 05 2013 05:29 NotYango wrote: Well in this case, this has little to no bearing on DotA 2 anyway. Far and away the most obviously affected game on that list is Hearthstone, and the rest don't even come close. The only bearing on Dota2 is really the riot hate-train, which makes dota players feel good about themselves. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On December 05 2013 05:29 NotYango wrote: Yes, it doesn't really.Well in this case, this has little to no bearing on DotA 2 anyway. Far and away the most obviously affected game on that list is Hearthstone, and the rest don't even come close. It does have an effect on the general scene though, if streaming is where most people find out about new eSports and 50% of the most popular streamers can't play other eSports games. It's blatantly anti-competitive, but Riot always has been. And the bigger LoL gets the worse things like these become, if they were as big as they are today when Dota was starting Beta then I don't see Dota getting as far as it has. But yeah, Dota is now the second biggest eSports. It's probably the most profitable eSport for third parties. It's too late for anyone to really screw over Dota except Valve. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On December 05 2013 05:37 Comeh wrote: The only bearing on Dota2 is really the riot hate-train, which makes dota players feel good about themselves. The riot hate train has gotten us there for many years And they just gave us a pile of coal to keep it going | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
i guess people want that big business money but none of the conditions | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On December 05 2013 06:02 Klonere wrote: You'd think that fact that even League fans and players are upset about it would make you realize that all industries aren't the same.non-compete clauses are pretty common in business dealings guys i guess people want that big business money but none of the conditions It is quite frankly very different than the non-esport worlds equivalent because there's no streaming parallel and the relationship between games are very different and the connection between player and fan is much closer. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On December 05 2013 06:13 Klonere wrote: That really isn't comparable to streaming in many ways.what about public practice sessions where press are invited along for PR and fans can pay in to meet and greet (or its free depending on how big the players involved are) Like the closest thing is if a player had their own podcast or show that they personally ran. But even then, in eSports the streaming business plays a significantly bigger role. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bap8-tWCcAAAGGh.png) hahahahahaha What a picture | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 05 2013 06:11 teapoted wrote: You'd think that fact that even League fans and players are upset about it would make you realize that all industries aren't the same. It is quite frankly very different than the non-esport worlds equivalent because there's no streaming parallel. Video games have been like this for years, non compete clauses are standard. Sports too. Hockey players have been fired by their league for wearing the wrong brand of hat to games. On during the game, to the game. This is nothing new, you don't pay people money to have them turn around and stream other games for money. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 05 2013 06:13 teddyoojo wrote: also again, who the fuck wants business esports People who want to make livable wages and get married, have kids and retire. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On December 05 2013 06:16 Plansix wrote: I don't know why you're quoting the person saying that drawing these parallels are pointless and then draw a parallel to prove a point.Video games have been like this for years, non compete clauses are standard. Sports too. Hockey players have been fired by their league for wearing the wrong brand of hat to games. On during the game, to the game. This is nothing new, you don't pay people money to have them turn around and stream other games for money. It's simply not interesting to the conversation that 'this is how x business works'. Well it isn't how every business works, and it isn't what fans and players in the eSports industry expect. As pointed out in those other industries the players/employees also have protection which players in eSports do not. They did something, people reacted negatively. Saying 'this is normal business stuff', doesn't mean it's okay or acceptable, it's irrelevant. I've seen things done in the print publications which would never be done on online publications, every situation is different. | ||
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