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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 04 2013 18:02 GMT
#89121
On December 05 2013 02:59 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 02:52 cecek wrote:
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/riot-season-4-lcs-contracts-stipulate-players-cannot-stream-dota-2-blizzard-games/1100-261/

Riot killing esports, etc...

Honestly, I don't see what's the big deal. The players get a monthly salary from Riot, so I don't see why Riot shouldn't be allowed to tell them what they can and what they can't stream.


what is LCS?
is it just a random tournament?

Think Blizzard's WCS but they pay the teams salaries out of Riot's pocket too. And more prizemoney too.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
December 04 2013 18:04 GMT
#89122
On December 05 2013 03:02 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 02:52 cecek wrote:
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/riot-season-4-lcs-contracts-stipulate-players-cannot-stream-dota-2-blizzard-games/1100-261/

Riot killing esports, etc...

Honestly, I don't see what's the big deal. The players get a monthly salary from Riot, so I don't see why Riot shouldn't be allowed to tell them what they can and what they can't stream.


Generally your employers aren't allowed to tell you what you can or can't do in your free time. Obviously there are situations where they can but that's pretty rare.

Streaming is not really free time for them, tho. That is the job. And I think personal streams are more valuable for Riot than tournaments.

Pretty sure they can play whatever they want off-camera.
super gg
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-04 18:18:46
December 04 2013 18:06 GMT
#89123
On December 05 2013 03:02 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 02:52 cecek wrote:
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/riot-season-4-lcs-contracts-stipulate-players-cannot-stream-dota-2-blizzard-games/1100-261/

Riot killing esports, etc...

Honestly, I don't see what's the big deal. The players get a monthly salary from Riot, so I don't see why Riot shouldn't be allowed to tell them what they can and what they can't stream.


Generally your employers aren't allowed to tell you what you can or can't do in your free time. Obviously there are situations where they can but that's pretty rare.

My firm would fire me if I attempted to sell my clients on using another firm in my free time. The contract only states they can't stream the game, not that they can't play it. It's basically a do not compete clause, which are really common. NFL players don't wear gear promoting the NBA in their free time.

Edit: fuck you autocorrect.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
December 04 2013 18:09 GMT
#89124
i would sure hate to get firmed

the benefits of not working
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SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
December 04 2013 18:10 GMT
#89125
I'm just gonna leave this here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=366477

Nothing new from riot. Same shit as always and they will sure as hell try to spin it some way in their favour again.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
December 04 2013 18:11 GMT
#89126
Sir scoots is on EG? how did i not know this
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 04 2013 18:12 GMT
#89127
On December 05 2013 03:11 Targe wrote:
Sir scoots is on EG? how did i not know this


Think he left quite some time ago but not sure.
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
December 04 2013 18:12 GMT
#89128
On December 05 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 03:02 Numy wrote:
On December 05 2013 02:52 cecek wrote:
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/riot-season-4-lcs-contracts-stipulate-players-cannot-stream-dota-2-blizzard-games/1100-261/

Riot killing esports, etc...

Honestly, I don't see what's the big deal. The players get a monthly salary from Riot, so I don't see why Riot shouldn't be allowed to tell them what they can and what they can't stream.


Generally your employers aren't allowed to tell you what you can or can't do in your free time. Obviously there are situations where they can but that's pretty rare.

My firm would firm me if I attempted to sell my clients on using another firm in my free time. The contract only states they can't stream the game, not that they can't play it. It's basically a do not compete clause, which are really common. NFL players don't wear gear promoting the NBA in their free time.

Except for there was a NFL player who played for the MLS for a little while a few years ago, just for shits and giggles. Can't remember his name for the life of me.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
December 04 2013 18:13 GMT
#89129
On December 05 2013 03:12 Nocticate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:02 Numy wrote:
On December 05 2013 02:52 cecek wrote:
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/riot-season-4-lcs-contracts-stipulate-players-cannot-stream-dota-2-blizzard-games/1100-261/

Riot killing esports, etc...

Honestly, I don't see what's the big deal. The players get a monthly salary from Riot, so I don't see why Riot shouldn't be allowed to tell them what they can and what they can't stream.


Generally your employers aren't allowed to tell you what you can or can't do in your free time. Obviously there are situations where they can but that's pretty rare.

My firm would firm me if I attempted to sell my clients on using another firm in my free time. The contract only states they can't stream the game, not that they can't play it. It's basically a do not compete clause, which are really common. NFL players don't wear gear promoting the NBA in their free time.

Except for there was a NFL player who played for the MLS for a little while a few years ago, just for shits and giggles. Can't remember his name for the life of me.

Was it Chad Johnson? (ochocinco?)
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 04 2013 18:17 GMT
#89130
Michael Jordan played MLB for a season I think?

This stuff happens lol. Traditionally players rent their personal brand to whatever team they are affiliated with not to the overarching organization.
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Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-04 18:18:44
December 04 2013 18:17 GMT
#89131
On December 05 2013 03:13 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 03:12 Nocticate wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:02 Numy wrote:
On December 05 2013 02:52 cecek wrote:
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/riot-season-4-lcs-contracts-stipulate-players-cannot-stream-dota-2-blizzard-games/1100-261/

Riot killing esports, etc...

Honestly, I don't see what's the big deal. The players get a monthly salary from Riot, so I don't see why Riot shouldn't be allowed to tell them what they can and what they can't stream.


Generally your employers aren't allowed to tell you what you can or can't do in your free time. Obviously there are situations where they can but that's pretty rare.

My firm would firm me if I attempted to sell my clients on using another firm in my free time. The contract only states they can't stream the game, not that they can't play it. It's basically a do not compete clause, which are really common. NFL players don't wear gear promoting the NBA in their free time.

Except for there was a NFL player who played for the MLS for a little while a few years ago, just for shits and giggles. Can't remember his name for the life of me.

Was it Chad Johnson? (ochocinco?)

Yup. He didn't make the team.
This is completely out of the ordinary. Riot pays these players to play. Not to stream. That's what their organizations get them to do. It completely oversteps their boundaries.
Of course, Riot is really the first organization to completely own all aspects of a sport. No LAN, no modding. It's a really problematic system in my mind, and there's no real precedent for this sort of thing.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
December 04 2013 18:20 GMT
#89132
On December 05 2013 02:30 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 02:23 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On December 05 2013 01:53 dfs wrote:
On December 05 2013 01:48 Numy wrote:
On December 05 2013 01:27 Plansix wrote:
People are addicted to the feed back loop of winnig games an getting rewarded for winning games. Hats, numbers, blowjobs, it's all the same. People just want a system that reward them for winning and to look at a numbering going up.


Hold the phone. There are people out there that get blowjobs after winning games?

On Starladder Finals. But please don't tell anyone.

So that's why they had a bear.


That wasn't even starladder

Oh. Well that just ruins everything.


I don't see why Riot can't tell employees what they can't stream. Seems odd that people would act as though this is shocking behaviour.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
December 04 2013 18:22 GMT
#89133
On December 05 2013 02:59 Unleashing wrote:
Hahaha what, wow that's just hilarious honestly. Look at some of the titles they can't stream.


Riot retaliating hard to that huge Fat Princess and Warhammer Online esports market I see.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-04 18:23:40
December 04 2013 18:22 GMT
#89134
On December 05 2013 03:17 Nocticate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 03:13 Comeh wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:12 Nocticate wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:02 Numy wrote:
On December 05 2013 02:52 cecek wrote:
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/riot-season-4-lcs-contracts-stipulate-players-cannot-stream-dota-2-blizzard-games/1100-261/

Riot killing esports, etc...

Honestly, I don't see what's the big deal. The players get a monthly salary from Riot, so I don't see why Riot shouldn't be allowed to tell them what they can and what they can't stream.


Generally your employers aren't allowed to tell you what you can or can't do in your free time. Obviously there are situations where they can but that's pretty rare.

My firm would firm me if I attempted to sell my clients on using another firm in my free time. The contract only states they can't stream the game, not that they can't play it. It's basically a do not compete clause, which are really common. NFL players don't wear gear promoting the NBA in their free time.

Except for there was a NFL player who played for the MLS for a little while a few years ago, just for shits and giggles. Can't remember his name for the life of me.

Was it Chad Johnson? (ochocinco?)

Yup. He didn't make the team.
This is completely out of the ordinary. Riot pays these players to play. Not to stream. That's what their organizations get them to do. It completely oversteps their boundaries.
Of course, Riot is really the first organization to completely own all aspects of a sport. No LAN, no modding. It's a really problematic system in my mind, and there's no real precedent for this sort of thing.

The players are part of the marketing budget and Riot employees. It isn't unreasonable Thor them to say "here is 50k, please do not promote our competitors games on your stream. Thank you."
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
December 04 2013 18:24 GMT
#89135
On December 05 2013 03:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 03:17 Nocticate wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:13 Comeh wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:12 Nocticate wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:02 Numy wrote:
On December 05 2013 02:52 cecek wrote:
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/riot-season-4-lcs-contracts-stipulate-players-cannot-stream-dota-2-blizzard-games/1100-261/

Riot killing esports, etc...

Honestly, I don't see what's the big deal. The players get a monthly salary from Riot, so I don't see why Riot shouldn't be allowed to tell them what they can and what they can't stream.


Generally your employers aren't allowed to tell you what you can or can't do in your free time. Obviously there are situations where they can but that's pretty rare.

My firm would firm me if I attempted to sell my clients on using another firm in my free time. The contract only states they can't stream the game, not that they can't play it. It's basically a do not compete clause, which are really common. NFL players don't wear gear promoting the NBA in their free time.

Except for there was a NFL player who played for the MLS for a little while a few years ago, just for shits and giggles. Can't remember his name for the life of me.

Was it Chad Johnson? (ochocinco?)

Yup. He didn't make the team.
This is completely out of the ordinary. Riot pays these players to play. Not to stream. That's what their organizations get them to do. It completely oversteps their boundaries.
Of course, Riot is really the first organization to completely own all aspects of a sport. No LAN, no modding. It's a really problematic system in my mind, and there's no real precedent for this sort of thing.

The players are part of the marketing budget and Riot employees. It isn't unreasonable Thor them to say "here is 50k, please do not promote our competitors games on your stream. Thank you."


If that was an autocorrect error your autocorrect is AWESOME. X-D
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
December 04 2013 18:25 GMT
#89136
On December 05 2013 03:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 03:17 Nocticate wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:13 Comeh wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:12 Nocticate wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:02 Numy wrote:
On December 05 2013 02:52 cecek wrote:
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/riot-season-4-lcs-contracts-stipulate-players-cannot-stream-dota-2-blizzard-games/1100-261/

Riot killing esports, etc...

Honestly, I don't see what's the big deal. The players get a monthly salary from Riot, so I don't see why Riot shouldn't be allowed to tell them what they can and what they can't stream.


Generally your employers aren't allowed to tell you what you can or can't do in your free time. Obviously there are situations where they can but that's pretty rare.

My firm would firm me if I attempted to sell my clients on using another firm in my free time. The contract only states they can't stream the game, not that they can't play it. It's basically a do not compete clause, which are really common. NFL players don't wear gear promoting the NBA in their free time.

Except for there was a NFL player who played for the MLS for a little while a few years ago, just for shits and giggles. Can't remember his name for the life of me.

Was it Chad Johnson? (ochocinco?)

Yup. He didn't make the team.
This is completely out of the ordinary. Riot pays these players to play. Not to stream. That's what their organizations get them to do. It completely oversteps their boundaries.
Of course, Riot is really the first organization to completely own all aspects of a sport. No LAN, no modding. It's a really problematic system in my mind, and there's no real precedent for this sort of thing.

The players are part of the marketing budget and Riot employees. It isn't unreasonable Thor them to say "here is 50k, please do not promote our competitors games on your stream. Thank you."

yet u just dont do that
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
December 04 2013 18:26 GMT
#89137
On December 05 2013 03:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 03:17 Nocticate wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:13 Comeh wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:12 Nocticate wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:02 Numy wrote:
On December 05 2013 02:52 cecek wrote:
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/riot-season-4-lcs-contracts-stipulate-players-cannot-stream-dota-2-blizzard-games/1100-261/

Riot killing esports, etc...

Honestly, I don't see what's the big deal. The players get a monthly salary from Riot, so I don't see why Riot shouldn't be allowed to tell them what they can and what they can't stream.


Generally your employers aren't allowed to tell you what you can or can't do in your free time. Obviously there are situations where they can but that's pretty rare.

My firm would firm me if I attempted to sell my clients on using another firm in my free time. The contract only states they can't stream the game, not that they can't play it. It's basically a do not compete clause, which are really common. NFL players don't wear gear promoting the NBA in their free time.

Except for there was a NFL player who played for the MLS for a little while a few years ago, just for shits and giggles. Can't remember his name for the life of me.

Was it Chad Johnson? (ochocinco?)

Yup. He didn't make the team.
This is completely out of the ordinary. Riot pays these players to play. Not to stream. That's what their organizations get them to do. It completely oversteps their boundaries.
Of course, Riot is really the first organization to completely own all aspects of a sport. No LAN, no modding. It's a really problematic system in my mind, and there's no real precedent for this sort of thing.

The players are part of the marketing budget and Riot employees. It isn't unreasonable Thor them to say "here is 50k, please do not promote our competitors games on your stream. Thank you."

Not sure where Thor fits in but the problem isn't this single action. It is the whole Riot bullshit they spew: <3 eSports, lol helps eSports grow and in the next second they block dota 2 from MLG / ESL for nearly 2 years (still banned from ESL studio in cologne), try to force teams to drop their dota 2 squads and now stop their players from streaming any other non-lol game. It's just extremly anti-competitve. At least drop the we love eSport bullshit then.
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
December 04 2013 18:26 GMT
#89138
"Riot's servers are down. Guess I can't make any money streaming today unless I play... Spelunky or some shit."
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
December 04 2013 18:27 GMT
#89139
Riot Streamer Program – Code of Conduct
If you advertise your stream as League of Legends, stay focused on our game.


So Riot are acting like it's a privilege to be able to stream league?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
December 04 2013 18:28 GMT
#89140
On December 05 2013 03:11 Targe wrote:
Sir scoots is on EG? how did i not know this


He isn't anymore. Left last year(?). He was the COO for a long time and now just a shareholder or some shit.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
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