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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
December 04 2013 18:28 GMT
#89141
In the real world it definitely isn't completely unusual for them to make these restrictions. It happens with sponsorships all the time. You aren't allowed to be seen drinking Coke at a professional event if you're sponsored by Pepsi. In this situation, their streams are very much a part of their 'professional job', and I can somewhat understand Riot's stance on the whole thing.

The main reason we're getting so much outrage about it is because restrictions of this nature have never been seen in esports before. I admittedly am not surprised that it is Riot who is initiating these things, but in a way it's a further signal to me that 'esports is going legit'.
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SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
December 04 2013 18:30 GMT
#89142
I received an event contract for IPL a few years back via an ex-s2 employee which stated no competing games for IPL if they ran LoL. including Dota 2, BLC & HoN.

It's been a thing for a while, and despite riot do a nice job giving players a chance to be pro-gamers. this strong-arm company tactic is quite saddening overall.

also teams with LoL divisions were being pressured to not pick up a DotA 2 squad. but the teams won that battle. that was over a year ago.

From 2gd on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1s38uc/dota_2_censored_by_riots_season_4_lcs_contracts/cdtgkdv
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 04 2013 18:31 GMT
#89143
On December 05 2013 03:26 SilverStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 03:22 Plansix wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:17 Nocticate wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:13 Comeh wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:12 Nocticate wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:
On December 05 2013 03:02 Numy wrote:
On December 05 2013 02:52 cecek wrote:
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/riot-season-4-lcs-contracts-stipulate-players-cannot-stream-dota-2-blizzard-games/1100-261/

Riot killing esports, etc...

Honestly, I don't see what's the big deal. The players get a monthly salary from Riot, so I don't see why Riot shouldn't be allowed to tell them what they can and what they can't stream.


Generally your employers aren't allowed to tell you what you can or can't do in your free time. Obviously there are situations where they can but that's pretty rare.

My firm would firm me if I attempted to sell my clients on using another firm in my free time. The contract only states they can't stream the game, not that they can't play it. It's basically a do not compete clause, which are really common. NFL players don't wear gear promoting the NBA in their free time.

Except for there was a NFL player who played for the MLS for a little while a few years ago, just for shits and giggles. Can't remember his name for the life of me.

Was it Chad Johnson? (ochocinco?)

Yup. He didn't make the team.
This is completely out of the ordinary. Riot pays these players to play. Not to stream. That's what their organizations get them to do. It completely oversteps their boundaries.
Of course, Riot is really the first organization to completely own all aspects of a sport. No LAN, no modding. It's a really problematic system in my mind, and there's no real precedent for this sort of thing.

The players are part of the marketing budget and Riot employees. It isn't unreasonable Thor them to say "here is 50k, please do not promote our competitors games on your stream. Thank you."

Not sure where Thor fits in but the problem isn't this single action. It is the whole Riot bullshit they spew: <3 eSports, lol helps eSports grow and in the next second they block dota 2 from MLG / ESL for nearly 2 years (still banned from ESL studio in cologne), try to force teams to drop their dota 2 squads and now stop their players from streaming any other non-lol game. It's just extremly anti-competitve. At least drop the we love eSport bullshit then.

Welcome to the big time where real money is involved. I signed a non-compete clause with my firm when I came here and I can't just take their client index and go to another firm. I have had to not work on cases we have taken do to other firms I worked at. It's real life and riot isn't going to pay people to promote other games. That's just stupid to do.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
December 04 2013 18:31 GMT
#89144
On December 05 2013 03:28 Firebolt145 wrote:
In the real world it definitely isn't completely unusual for them to make these restrictions. It happens with sponsorships all the time. You aren't allowed to be seen drinking Coke at a professional event if you're sponsored by Pepsi. In this situation, their streams are very much a part of their 'professional job', and I can somewhat understand Riot's stance on the whole thing.

The main reason we're getting so much outrage about it is because restrictions of this nature have never been seen in esports before. I admittedly am not surprised that it is Riot who is initiating these things, but in a way it's a further signal to me that 'esports is going legit'.

"Riot is going legit". Not eSports.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
December 04 2013 18:32 GMT
#89145
on another note "DSR rating can now predict a winning team with 65% chance of success"
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-04 18:34:14
December 04 2013 18:33 GMT
#89146
Whats really bullshit is that they cant stream themselves smoking blunts while flashin pistols
RIOT killing USA
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 04 2013 18:33 GMT
#89147
On December 05 2013 03:28 Firebolt145 wrote:
In the real world it definitely isn't completely unusual for them to make these restrictions. It happens with sponsorships all the time. You aren't allowed to be seen drinking Coke at a professional event if you're sponsored by Pepsi. In this situation, their streams are very much a part of their 'professional job', and I can somewhat understand Riot's stance on the whole thing.

The main reason we're getting so much outrage about it is because restrictions of this nature have never been seen in esports before. I admittedly am not surprised that it is Riot who is initiating these things, but in a way it's a further signal to me that 'esports is going legit'.

Firebolt, you continue to be a smart cookie. Real life: Game is hard.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
December 04 2013 18:34 GMT
#89148
Riot misspelled Dota 2 :D
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 04 2013 18:35 GMT
#89149
On December 05 2013 03:33 PassiveAce wrote:
Whats really bullshit is that they cant stream themselves smoking blunts while flashin pistols
RIOT killing USA

Or stream naked while on a wrecking ball. Fucking Riot repessing Kurpos right to show off his beautiful body.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-04 18:36:46
December 04 2013 18:36 GMT
#89150
On December 05 2013 03:35 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 03:33 PassiveAce wrote:
Whats really bullshit is that they cant stream themselves smoking blunts while flashin pistols
RIOT killing USA

Or stream naked while on a wrecking ball. Fucking Riot repessing Kurpos right to show off his beautiful body.

You can still drink alcohol while streaming. Good enough for me.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
December 04 2013 18:36 GMT
#89151
Poor lol pros can't stream fat princess, pretty much the blackest day in their lives
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
December 04 2013 18:36 GMT
#89152
Standard Russian.
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Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
December 04 2013 18:37 GMT
#89153
To be fair, fat princess was a lot of fun when it launched, I might go play it now.
EGM guides me
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-04 18:39:15
December 04 2013 18:38 GMT
#89154
On December 05 2013 03:31 dfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 03:28 Firebolt145 wrote:
In the real world it definitely isn't completely unusual for them to make these restrictions. It happens with sponsorships all the time. You aren't allowed to be seen drinking Coke at a professional event if you're sponsored by Pepsi. In this situation, their streams are very much a part of their 'professional job', and I can somewhat understand Riot's stance on the whole thing.

The main reason we're getting so much outrage about it is because restrictions of this nature have never been seen in esports before. I admittedly am not surprised that it is Riot who is initiating these things, but in a way it's a further signal to me that 'esports is going legit'.

"Riot is going legit". Not eSports.


This is actually very true. This is quite the opposite of 'esports' going legit, because esports would be all encompassing competitive gaming growth. Esports has always been a myth though. The term worked when the sc2 community was deluded enough to think that it, and it alone was Esports, however, as we see with multiple titles and game developers being involved, we're hardly a kosher community.

The term 'esports' should really RIP.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
December 04 2013 18:38 GMT
#89155
also why again do we want esports to be like business world? i cant remember, i like it how it is (was)
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
December 04 2013 18:38 GMT
#89156
On December 05 2013 03:36 Qbek wrote:
Poor lol pros can't stream fat princess, pretty much the blackest day in their lives

lmfao I was about to say. RIOT really going out of their way to murder Demigods competitive scene.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
December 04 2013 18:39 GMT
#89157
Perhaps 'legit' is not the right term. How bout 'Riot is going all real-world-businessy'?
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 04 2013 18:39 GMT
#89158
I didnt even know what fat princess was.
WriterXiao8~~
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-04 18:40:47
December 04 2013 18:40 GMT
#89159
On December 05 2013 03:39 Kipsate wrote:
I didnt even know what fat princess was.

Me neither, but I bet you just googled it like I did.

Probably some kind of elaborate marketing trick.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-04 18:41:36
December 04 2013 18:40 GMT
#89160
marijuana is bought over a counter.
If you live in a state that doesnt suck ofc
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
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