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RockIronrod
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia1369 Posts
October 24 2013 08:57 GMT
#83721
I thought with Brood you just split push 24/7 and with Orchid you can pretty much kill anyone who comes to you alone, and if they come with more than 1 your team takes a team fight on the other side of the map and you scamper away.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 09:00:25
October 24 2013 09:00 GMT
#83722
Basically

farm da jungle when you scamper
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
October 24 2013 09:06 GMT
#83723
If you have to tp to help your team fight as brood you already lost.
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
October 24 2013 09:07 GMT
#83724
On October 24 2013 17:35 RuskiPanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 16:55 BlitzerSC wrote:
Why don't you get Orchid on Brood and tp to help with fights ?


Because orchid is a solo killing item and not teamfight? lol


Orchid still doesn't do squat against a full enemy team when they gather. You need BKB to actually do anything in a fight.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
October 24 2013 09:36 GMT
#83725
i feel like Brood gets mroe out of Manta or BKB than orchid nowdays
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 09:48:59
October 24 2013 09:45 GMT
#83726
On October 24 2013 18:07 Oktyabr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 17:35 RuskiPanda wrote:
On October 24 2013 16:55 BlitzerSC wrote:
Why don't you get Orchid on Brood and tp to help with fights ?


Because orchid is a solo killing item and not teamfight? lol


Orchid still doesn't do squat against a full enemy team when they gather. You need BKB to actually do anything in a fight.


Oh ok, I didn't know that 5 seconds silence, 30% damage amplification plus stats is not good enough...
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 09:49:46
October 24 2013 09:48 GMT
#83727
It doesn't do anything compared to BKB because a dead brood/disabled/slowed doesn't do anything. Brood is incredibly squishy if he can't get hits off with his ultimate, this basically means you need a BKB to be able to teamfight properly. Is an orchid useless?No, but you are better off getting a BKB in teamfights then an Orchid.

That is why Orchid>>BKB is a decent build, you get the Orchid earlier on for solo killing potential while getting the BKB for later stages in the game when teamfight occurs adn your presence is needed.
WriterXiao8~~
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 09:53:35
October 24 2013 09:53 GMT
#83728
Orchid is good enough for early teamfights, if you don't think so then you are probably silencing an hero who shouldn't be silenced to begin with. If they use all their disables and nukes to kill you, your team should be able to win the fight anyways.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 24 2013 09:58 GMT
#83729
On October 24 2013 18:53 BlitzerSC wrote:
Orchid is good enough for early teamfights, if you don't think so then you are probably silencing an hero who shouldn't be silenced to begin with. If they use all their disables and nukes to kill you, your team should be able to win the fight anyways.

You base this upon what?There are many heroes with aoe teamfight ultimates in the game and taking out a core hero such as a Broodmother is worth using several spells if need be and you don't need to use that many because you are squishy as hell and your only survivability item is Power Treads.
WriterXiao8~~
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
October 24 2013 09:58 GMT
#83730
Orchids is a horrible item if you intend to join early teamfights.
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
October 24 2013 10:02 GMT
#83731
On October 24 2013 18:58 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 18:53 BlitzerSC wrote:
Orchid is good enough for early teamfights, if you don't think so then you are probably silencing an hero who shouldn't be silenced to begin with. If they use all their disables and nukes to kill you, your team should be able to win the fight anyways.

You base this upon what?There are many heroes with aoe teamfight ultimates in the game and taking out a core hero such as a Broodmother is worth using several spells if need be and you don't need to use that many because you are squishy as hell and your only survivability item is Power Treads.


I'm basing this on the fact that your team and the enemy team are equally skilled ? Also Broodmother is quite tanky for an agility hero.

On October 24 2013 18:58 Firebolt145 wrote:
Orchids is a horrible item if you intend to join early teamfights.


It's bad only if you use it on the wrong guy.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 10:14:19
October 24 2013 10:12 GMT
#83732
I always think that when you need to Brood to join teamfights, something is already going wrong with your game. Ideally, the brood team will always play 4v5 and Brood pushes towers. Which is why I think rushing bkb first is a bad build, because you're building items towards your gameplan at all. If you want to build bkb first on some hero and join fights with him there are much better options available.
super gg
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 10:18:06
October 24 2013 10:13 GMT
#83733
He is a melee core hero who is squishy with just power treads, the fact that he is tanky for an agility hero is completely irrelevant as he has no defensive capabilities apart from his hp(which isn't high) and lifedrain. He also has no way to weave itself in between fights because all he has is his movement speed to do so early game unlike other ''less tanky'' heroes. With an Orchid he is better off pushing the lanes while his team stall the enemy push since Brood should be able to do a significant amount of damage in a 1v1 matchup with Orchid.

If you intend to join early teamfights BKB is the superior choice because you can actually hit stuff and not die.
WriterXiao8~~
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1013 Posts
October 24 2013 10:25 GMT
#83734
I find it vital to the discussion that broodmother be correctly referred to as "she."
Jaehoon - Master strategist
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 24 2013 10:25 GMT
#83735
if you intend to join early teamfights get a mek and pipe hehehe
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 10:27:46
October 24 2013 10:26 GMT
#83736
Mek Brood sounds really interesting, actually. It's pretty good for pushing even, with the armor and everything. and she usually goes for soulring, so mana shouldn't be a problem.
super gg
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 24 2013 10:27 GMT
#83737
Alternatively you could not pick Brood if you intend to teamfight early.
WriterXiao8~~
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 10:44:47
October 24 2013 10:38 GMT
#83738
BTW guys, thought on Axe ?

What should be changed with Axe to make him a competetive pick?
I've played the 6.79 Axe already few times and I don't feel the buff, jungle is less efficient now, battle hunger is still strong, kill threshold for his ult was lowered and I feel like it's a nerf, not a buff.


How about increasing Berserker`s Call AoE once again by any chance? Sucks there is no place for Axe on lane, unless you want to run him as an offlaner (which doesn't make sense), jungling is not THAT efficient anymore, ult is worse, battle hunger is only okayish skill in early game.

Also I have no luck with rng if it comes to Counter Helix. 17% chance? 30% would be awesome. Or 25% at least. Also new ult has lowered dmg, less mana cost - okay, no CD when hero is killed - fine but why lowered treshold :\
Also what about tranqs on Axe? Which boots for Axe now? Mana boots? Or Tranquils still efficient?
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 10:41:30
October 24 2013 10:40 GMT
#83739
EDIT NEVERMIND
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
October 24 2013 10:44 GMT
#83740
On October 24 2013 19:27 Kipsate wrote:
Alternatively you could not pick Brood if you intend to teamfight early.

That's what I'm saying... Making a bkb first on brood because you want to teamfight early is like making a midas on Luna because you want to outfarm the enemy carry into the lategame. It works, but it's not the ideal use of the hero.
super gg
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