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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
September 20 2013 09:03 GMT
#78761
On September 20 2013 16:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I could see jeyo falling into the zhou trap. You play carry but you don't really carry. He still needs to work on stuff like knowing when to participate with his team and when to farm. As it stands and from what I've seen he plays with his team way too much just like zhou did when you have to balance both.

And how do you know that zhou didn't do that in 2012 when IG was the best team in the world?

It's silly to criticize teams as good as IG (and probably a year ago, people were saying the same thing about XBOCT) about farming at the wrong times, when we're just pub players. It's one thing to talk about mechanical mistakes, but to say we have this much deeper understanding of carry strategy is ridiculous.
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 09:33:50
September 20 2013 09:33 GMT
#78762
ember spirit is going to have a mustache
all hail volvo
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 20 2013 09:38 GMT
#78763
On September 20 2013 18:33 Shadowpostin wrote:
ember spirit is going to have a mustache
all hail volvo

!!! do we have concept art? !!!
Scalepad
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden366 Posts
September 20 2013 10:13 GMT
#78764
I just realized Vlad's Offering only applies to melee units... getting it while being the only melee (Abaddon support) was kind of stupid I suppose. But hey, we won the game anyway.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
September 20 2013 10:14 GMT
#78765
On September 20 2013 18:38 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 18:33 Shadowpostin wrote:
ember spirit is going to have a mustache
all hail volvo

!!! do we have concept art? !!!

His textures were in the patch.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
September 20 2013 10:14 GMT
#78766
On September 20 2013 19:13 Scalepad wrote:
I just realized Vlad's Offering only applies to melee units... getting it while being the only melee (Abaddon support) was kind of stupid I suppose. But hey, we won the game anyway.

It's still a decent pick up if you're a pushing based team since it buffs up your creeps considerably.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
September 20 2013 10:15 GMT
#78767
On September 20 2013 19:13 Scalepad wrote:
I just realized Vlad's Offering only applies to melee units... getting it while being the only melee (Abaddon support) was kind of stupid I suppose. But hey, we won the game anyway.

only the lifesteal. the armor, mana regen and +dmg is applicable to all
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 10:17:40
September 20 2013 10:17 GMT
#78768
On September 20 2013 19:13 Scalepad wrote:
I just realized Vlad's Offering only applies to melee units... getting it while being the only melee (Abaddon support) was kind of stupid I suppose. But hey, we won the game anyway.

Vlad's is incredible. 15% bonus damage and 5 bonus armour in an aura is really, really good.

I'd put Vlad's not too far behind Mek in terms of support items a team should have. I feel it's really undervalued.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
September 20 2013 10:24 GMT
#78769
On September 20 2013 19:17 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 19:13 Scalepad wrote:
I just realized Vlad's Offering only applies to melee units... getting it while being the only melee (Abaddon support) was kind of stupid I suppose. But hey, we won the game anyway.

Vlad's is incredible. 15% bonus damage and 5 bonus armour in an aura is really, really good.

I'd put Vlad's not too far behind Mek in terms of support items a team should have. I feel it's really undervalued.

it stacks with AC too! (the armor)
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 20 2013 10:27 GMT
#78770
On September 20 2013 17:07 icystorage wrote:
"The $200000 thingy is not our salary, its everything combined I think. Actual not too sure at all what that is really. Might be the cost of my organs when they harvest it once I get to china."
- EE-sama

I also ticked on this, not the organ part but the "actual not too sure at all what that is really"
wtf, didn't they talked to each other before RS announced anything ?
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 20 2013 10:28 GMT
#78771
On September 20 2013 18:03 igotmyown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 16:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I could see jeyo falling into the zhou trap. You play carry but you don't really carry. He still needs to work on stuff like knowing when to participate with his team and when to farm. As it stands and from what I've seen he plays with his team way too much just like zhou did when you have to balance both.

And how do you know that zhou didn't do that in 2012 when IG was the best team in the world?

It's silly to criticize teams as good as IG (and probably a year ago, people were saying the same thing about XBOCT) about farming at the wrong times, when we're just pub players. It's one thing to talk about mechanical mistakes, but to say we have this much deeper understanding of carry strategy is ridiculous.

I say this all in hindsight after everything went down. I've watched iG and it happened in 2012 too, it just worked out better because morphling is really good in those situations. There's also a reason why zhou had less GPM than sylar or burning on average and that was a big part.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
September 20 2013 10:29 GMT
#78772
On September 20 2013 15:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
My understanding is black was injured for TI3 and immediately after. Everyone speaks very highly of Black who has played with him, so Imma assume he will sort his shit out in china.

What? Almost everyone black has played with has issues with him.
Once you Goblak...
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
September 20 2013 10:29 GMT
#78773
On September 20 2013 19:27 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 17:07 icystorage wrote:
"The $200000 thingy is not our salary, its everything combined I think. Actual not too sure at all what that is really. Might be the cost of my organs when they harvest it once I get to china."
- EE-sama

I also ticked on this, not the organ part but the "actual not too sure at all what that is really"
wtf, didn't they talked to each other before RS announced anything ?

prolly the manager takes care of it?
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 20 2013 10:32 GMT
#78774
On September 20 2013 19:29 icystorage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 19:27 MrCon wrote:
On September 20 2013 17:07 icystorage wrote:
"The $200000 thingy is not our salary, its everything combined I think. Actual not too sure at all what that is really. Might be the cost of my organs when they harvest it once I get to china."
- EE-sama

I also ticked on this, not the organ part but the "actual not too sure at all what that is really"
wtf, didn't they talked to each other before RS announced anything ?

prolly the manager takes care of it?

EE would know more details if his manager took care of it. I mean it's about the players first, that they don't have any details makes me wonder how real this is really.I find this sentence in his post very worrying TT
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 10:34:19
September 20 2013 10:34 GMT
#78775
On September 20 2013 19:13 Scalepad wrote:
I just realized Vlad's Offering only applies to melee units... getting it while being the only melee (Abaddon support) was kind of stupid I suppose. But hey, we won the game anyway.

The 15% damage boost affects all units, and is incredibly good late game when your team has high base damage.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
September 20 2013 10:36 GMT
#78776
On September 20 2013 19:32 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 19:29 icystorage wrote:
On September 20 2013 19:27 MrCon wrote:
On September 20 2013 17:07 icystorage wrote:
"The $200000 thingy is not our salary, its everything combined I think. Actual not too sure at all what that is really. Might be the cost of my organs when they harvest it once I get to china."
- EE-sama

I also ticked on this, not the organ part but the "actual not too sure at all what that is really"
wtf, didn't they talked to each other before RS announced anything ?

prolly the manager takes care of it?

EE would know more details if his manager took care of it. I mean it's about the players first, that they don't have any details makes me wonder how real this is really.I find this sentence in his post very worrying TT

imagine the drama if RS doesnt pull through
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
September 20 2013 10:39 GMT
#78777
On September 20 2013 19:34 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 19:13 Scalepad wrote:
I just realized Vlad's Offering only applies to melee units... getting it while being the only melee (Abaddon support) was kind of stupid I suppose. But hey, we won the game anyway.

The 15% damage boost affects all units, and is incredibly good late game when your team has high base damage.


just want to highlight that ... see too many carries with vlads second item when they are not a furry critters (bear or wolf)
Put quote here for readability
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 11:10:59
September 20 2013 10:51 GMT
#78778
Hey, I've been trying to get into DotA, but alone it's so god damn frustrating. I mean I have a general idea what most of the heroes do - I played DotA back in the olden days of Viper op in mid, "Divine Aegis"-Clinkz and the like. Is there a group of TL.netizens who play while on skype/teamspeak with whom I could do a couple games? I'm in Europe.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 13:09:52
September 20 2013 10:55 GMT
#78779
On September 20 2013 19:51 Celial wrote:
Hey, I've been trying to get into DotA, but alone it's so god damn frustrating. I mean I have a general idea what most of the champions do - I played DotA back in the olden days of Viper op in mid, "Divine Aegis"-Clinkz and the like. Is there a group of TL.netizens who play while on skype/teamspeak with whom I could do a couple games? I'm in Europe.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365938

here you go my friend


edit:

http://www.joindota.com/en/news/12239-wpc-ace-kicks-off-this-sunday

grand finals is bo7 ._.
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
September 20 2013 13:44 GMT
#78780
On September 20 2013 19:39 sandyph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 19:34 ahswtini wrote:
On September 20 2013 19:13 Scalepad wrote:
I just realized Vlad's Offering only applies to melee units... getting it while being the only melee (Abaddon support) was kind of stupid I suppose. But hey, we won the game anyway.

The 15% damage boost affects all units, and is incredibly good late game when your team has high base damage.


just want to highlight that ... see too many carries with vlads second item when they are not a furry critters (bear or wolf)


If possible, the carry himself shouldn't get it at all. If the support gets it, its like giving the carry an extra item slot.
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