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On September 18 2013 16:37 Kuroeeah wrote:
How was nerfing armlet on bear relevant at all to LD off laning? Wat
LD offlane died because armlet bear died. In addition to the bear now being worth a massive 300gold
Armlet was giving the bear everything it needs while being at a cheap price, for no cons. For a hero, armlet will drain hp while it doesnt drain a bear, while activated, the armlet gives attack speed/dmg/armor, all of which is needed for a LD.
It means even though LD is in the offlane, it only requires a Armlet to start fighting,making it the defacto item for all LDs. In the offlane when gold is scarce, the armlet bear is too good.
Even safelane LDs go Armlet, thats how good that item was on LD
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jungle LD is noob now right?
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On September 18 2013 16:46 trinxified wrote:
jungle LD is noob now right?
yep. Your wasting LD's strong laning power in the jungle. However if your lanes are filled, you might as well go jungling if there's not a good lane for you.
I've seen offlane LDs catch up in farm just from doing Ancients(dire especially) fyi, i find that aggravating lol.
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LD can't offlane as well now for practically the same reason why we don't see Broodmother in games anymore.
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On September 18 2013 16:46 trinxified wrote:
jungle LD is noob now right?
Jungle LD is only non-optimal because how good of a laner he is, it's not neccesarily bad in itself.
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You want to get to lvl 5 ASAP on LD anyway.
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Bulldog such an RNG god where he makes Weaver get bashes with a Basher...
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On September 18 2013 16:45 Mithhaike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:37 Kuroeeah wrote:
How was nerfing armlet on bear relevant at all to LD off laning? Wat LD offlane died because armlet bear died. In addition to the bear now being worth a massive 300gold Armlet was giving the bear everything it needs while being at a cheap price, for no cons. For a hero, armlet will drain hp while it doesnt drain a bear, while activated, the armlet gives attack speed/dmg/armor, all of which is needed for a LD. It means even though LD is in the offlane, it only requires a Armlet to start fighting,making it the defacto item for all LDs. In the offlane when gold is scarce, the armlet bear is too good. Even safelane LDs go Armlet, thats how good that item was on LD
A lot of it is radiance being so buffed 25%. Now 1st position druids have that much more power, whereas offlane can't get radiance at reasonable times.
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Bulldog probably has a personal stash filled with four leaf clovers somewhere.
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On September 18 2013 16:51 Kuroeeah wrote:
LD can't offlane as well now for practically the same reason why we don't see Broodmother in games anymore.
The reason we don't see broodmother is because spiderites give entirely too much gold, and she's kinda niche even w/o that weakness
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On September 18 2013 17:01 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:51 Kuroeeah wrote:
LD can't offlane as well now for practically the same reason why we don't see Broodmother in games anymore. The reason we don't see broodmother is because spiderites give entirely too much gold, and she's kinda niche even w/o that weakness
You proved my point.
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On September 18 2013 17:03 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 17:01 Shaella wrote:On September 18 2013 16:51 Kuroeeah wrote:
LD can't offlane as well now for practically the same reason why we don't see Broodmother in games anymore. The reason we don't see broodmother is because spiderites give entirely too much gold, and she's kinda niche even w/o that weakness You proved my point.
the 300 gold isn't why we dont' see offlane bear, we don't see it because radiance is better than it was before, and because offlane bear can't get armlet anymore
The 300 gold is much more of a later-game nerf. that bear is so fucking hard to kill early.
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On September 18 2013 16:51 Alur wrote:Jungle LD is only non-optimal because how good of a laner he is, it's not neccesarily bad in itself.
Yeah, his might in the early stages is not something to be scoffed at, but considering his current needs for gold, it seems like he can either take the semi long route of safe farm or get levels and participate in early pushes. His effectiveness starts to drop soon into midgame, when he's on his way to acquire the relic if he chooses to pursue that. But offlane? There won't be a lot of gold for him to look for, what should be his goals there at that point?
By the way, could anyone recommend me any replays/VoDs that could work as a point of reference on how to lane/jungle LD in various (specific or common) scenarios?
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On September 18 2013 16:45 Mithhaike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:37 Kuroeeah wrote:
How was nerfing armlet on bear relevant at all to LD off laning? Wat LD offlane died because armlet bear died. In addition to the bear now being worth a massive 300gold Armlet was giving the bear everything it needs while being at a cheap price, for no cons. For a hero, armlet will drain hp while it doesnt drain a bear, while activated, the armlet gives attack speed/dmg/armor, all of which is needed for a LD. It means even though LD is in the offlane, it only requires a Armlet to start fighting,making it the defacto item for all LDs. In the offlane when gold is scarce, the armlet bear is too good. Even safelane LDs go Armlet, thats how good that item was on LD
Build maelstrom, don´t feed bear -> profit. It certainly got harder to offlane ld but with maelstrom you can fight just about as well and farm fast then with the old armlet.
But I agree. LD safelane 1on1 is the way you wan´t to lane him now. Or straight up as 1 position with good roaming supports though an aggressive tri lane could be quite strong against that.
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i just think the gold difference is a big deal, you can afford to spam nukes or w.e everytime the bear tries to pull from the radiant side esp if you play a defensive tri.
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Yeah the 300 gold make bear as rewarding target to kill as the main bear itself
It actually made people focus the bear alot more and yeah the armlet nerf defnitly has something to do with it as well
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it was too much of a hassle to spam your mana, nukes, spells whatever when the bear was 100 bounty. i think the bear is killable when it's trying to pull the wave from the radiant side to him (ld dire off lane). i think ld pulling from dire has much more room for comfort.
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On September 18 2013 17:22 Iplaythings wrote:
Yeah the 300 gold make bear as rewarding target to kill as the main bear itself
It actually made people focus the bear alot more and yeah the armlet nerf defnitly has something to do with it as well
Nowadays, i've seen situations where we stunlocked the LD, killed its bear for 300gold, then killed the LD. Done that a few times in stacks rofl.
We just made bank *kaching*
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I wish I started spamming LD games more before the armlet nerf. Most of my LD games came after the armlet nerf.
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