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LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
September 15 2013 23:34 GMT
#77901
He checked the ward cliff at 6:30 right when the ward was about to expire as he was heading towards it. Ee han timiiiing.
noulss
Profile Joined November 2012
France353 Posts
September 15 2013 23:34 GMT
#77902
seems like i just found what i need to watch, gogo IdrA dota
<3
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-15 23:40:26
September 15 2013 23:37 GMT
#77903
On September 16 2013 08:31 Fatalize wrote:
IdrA's mechanics are pretty good if it's the first few games he has played of DotA. His last hits are pretty good

http://dotabuff.com/players/65125265
He has a couple hundred games, at least on this account. He isnt completelly new to the game.

Its kinda funny that he has one game an year ago where he went 0-8-0 as Mirana, with no boots, and then a huge break until the current streak of games that started a month ago. Dat ragequit.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
September 15 2013 23:38 GMT
#77904
Idra has been streaming Dota a couple weeks ago at least.

The MLG tournament stream is interesting, in a morbidly curious kind of way. Last game went back and forth for no real reason. One team just sacrificed 4 towers early on(the others had a lvl 2 leshrac up til minute ~12).
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Fatalize
Profile Joined January 2011
France5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-15 23:39:29
September 15 2013 23:39 GMT
#77905
On September 16 2013 08:37 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 08:31 Fatalize wrote:
IdrA's mechanics are pretty good if it's the first few games he has played of DotA. His last hits are pretty good

http://dotabuff.com/players/65125265
He has a couple hundred games, at least on this account. He isnt completelly new to the game.

yeah right so I guess it's ok. He still doesnt really know what he's supposed to do it seems

72% winrate with Visage, huh huh

"Visage requires Skill. Apologize for playing Skeleton king"
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 15 2013 23:41 GMT
#77906
On September 16 2013 08:39 Fatalize wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 08:37 SKC wrote:
On September 16 2013 08:31 Fatalize wrote:
IdrA's mechanics are pretty good if it's the first few games he has played of DotA. His last hits are pretty good

http://dotabuff.com/players/65125265
He has a couple hundred games, at least on this account. He isnt completelly new to the game.

yeah right so I guess it's ok. He still doesnt really know what he's supposed to do it seems

72% winrate with Visage, huh huh

"Visage requires Skill. Apologize for playing Skeleton king"

reincarnate is a useful skill toi have?


Idras been playing for around a month.
Fatalize
Profile Joined January 2011
France5210 Posts
September 15 2013 23:43 GMT
#77907
On September 16 2013 08:41 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 08:39 Fatalize wrote:
On September 16 2013 08:37 SKC wrote:
On September 16 2013 08:31 Fatalize wrote:
IdrA's mechanics are pretty good if it's the first few games he has played of DotA. His last hits are pretty good

http://dotabuff.com/players/65125265
He has a couple hundred games, at least on this account. He isnt completelly new to the game.

yeah right so I guess it's ok. He still doesnt really know what he's supposed to do it seems

72% winrate with Visage, huh huh

"Visage requires Skill. Apologize for playing Skeleton king"

reincarnate is a useful skill toi have?


Idras been playing for around a month.

So, inb4 EG.IdrA?
Coil1
Profile Joined January 2013
128 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-15 23:54:22
September 15 2013 23:51 GMT
#77908
On September 16 2013 05:11 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 05:09 Mataza wrote:
Since when does Torte show his nationality?
(Yes, I only noticed because he is now apparently the same as me, no I'm not xenophobic)

More dota related, what is the general state of offlaners nowadays?
I watch competitive irregularly at best. My last understanding is "play aggressive trilane" or "abandon the offlane", with maybe Dark Seer/Batrider being sometimes put in a 1v3 scneario.

dark seer, NP and bounty hunter are considered to be the best offlaners.

I personally think that Batrider is laned off lane if the drafter predicts a solo safe lane. Batrider can still be zoned out even with firefly.

the current state of offlaning is pretty bad imo. The only offlaners people feel really safe about picking are bat, np, ds and to a less extent, bounty.

def trilanes are just so deadly nowadays that if you're playing an offlaner entirely dependent upon the lane and you can't abandon it for the jungle(bounty will just roam) then you're at a severe disadvantage.

clock with his cogs nerf and his inability to jungle means he's pretty rare outside of KP. WR is in a similar boat. Most windrunners I see in pro games end up giving fb because of how deadly trilanes are.
weaver is somewhat less hurt due to him being fairly item-independent early on with shukuchi and geminate giving early game damage but how many times do people actually run a weaver offlane vs a trilane? 90% of the time I'd say it's a 1v1 scenario which weaver does fine in.

the reduction in initial wards really hurt aggressive trilanes so you end up with farmathon games where each team abandons their own offlane and no real aggression happens.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 15 2013 23:55 GMT
#77909
Aggressive tri lanes were a plague as they were. if it wasn't for the relative strength of chen among others right now dual lanes would be more attractive as a result
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
September 15 2013 23:55 GMT
#77910
I didn't played for like a month and I come back my game is running at 10/15fps. There was an update that make the game slow or my pc just went full retarded? I mean, my pc is pretty bad, but at least I could play ok at the minimum.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
September 15 2013 23:56 GMT
#77911
Oh god this stream.
"I don't want to say it was a throw, but it was a throw." - Merlini 2013

Hilarious. You know that Wisp gives you a big red ping to the point he teleports to?
Well, Wisp, CK and Furion all teleported on the exact same spot in the middle of the other team. Leshrac no setup triple stun counters Wisp apparently.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-15 23:58:17
September 15 2013 23:58 GMT
#77912
can someone give me a pro-vod or competitive game recently that had bat intentionally laned against a defensive tri? i thought he was only used when there was a safe lane solo.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 15 2013 23:59 GMT
#77913
On September 16 2013 08:58 Kuroeeah wrote:
can someone give me a pro-vod or competitive game recently that had bat intentionally laned against a defensive tri? i thought he was only used when there was a safe lane solo.

From memory there were games he was the offlaner, but he didn't go into lane until he got levels from the jungle. sac'd the t1 for a lvl 6 on bat
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
September 16 2013 00:17 GMT
#77914
On September 16 2013 08:56 Mataza wrote:
Oh god this stream.
"I don't want to say it was a throw, but it was a throw." - Merlini 2013

Hilarious. You know that Wisp gives you a big red ping to the point he teleports to?
Well, Wisp, CK and Furion all teleported on the exact same spot in the middle of the other team. Leshrac no setup triple stun counters Wisp apparently.


I'm pretty sure that alurr and co. could have won this tournament. As soon as I realized that I turned it off.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
GtC
Profile Joined August 2013
United States546 Posts
September 16 2013 00:20 GMT
#77915
On September 16 2013 07:17 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 06:47 GtC wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:10 MrHoon wrote:
On September 16 2013 05:39 Kuroeeah wrote:
I can see your point about Timber, Weaver and Clockwerk.

Personally I think the "best" off laner would either be a toss up between DS or NP but honestly my only example of NP comes from bulldog.

I think BH is still better over the mentioned off laners because if you play him right, you can be completely obnoxious (again i'm taking the admiral bulldog example) by being able to reliably block camps with your prolonged invis more so than a weaver could (Clock blocking camps with rockets is not reliable). I think a team with a decent kill potential can zone actually zone a Timber from xp range and even after a Clock cogs his creep wave, the creep equilibrium will be pushed towards the defender's tower given they pulled.

In timber's case, the relatively short range on a low level timber chain can kill him.
In weaver's case, what exactly does he do better than a Bounty Hunter as an off laner? I don't think a weaver can last against a good defensive tri that knows what they're doing honestly.

Clock Rocket blocking camps is not as hard as people make it to be. I mean yeah it's much harder than cog blocking (which is one button), but all you need to know about Rocket Blocking is the relative timing from where you are.

However, Rocket Blocking shouldn't be done at lvl 1, should be done at lvl 2 (which isn't bad if you cog block efficiently)


Why shouldn't it be?


Because you want to skill cog at level 1.


looooooool. I feel so dumb...
The Turtle Moves
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
September 16 2013 00:23 GMT
#77916
On September 16 2013 09:17 LeLoup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 08:56 Mataza wrote:
Oh god this stream.
"I don't want to say it was a throw, but it was a throw." - Merlini 2013

Hilarious. You know that Wisp gives you a big red ping to the point he teleports to?
Well, Wisp, CK and Furion all teleported on the exact same spot in the middle of the other team. Leshrac no setup triple stun counters Wisp apparently.


I'm pretty sure that alurr and co. could have won this tournament. As soon as I realized that I turned it off.

not true.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
September 16 2013 00:29 GMT
#77917
On September 16 2013 08:31 Fatalize wrote:
IdrA's mechanics are pretty good if it's the first few games he has played of DotA. His last hits are pretty good


Last hitting isn't the hard part of Dota. But yeah he learns really fast. He plays with known players/pros though so he gets a lot of help from them.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
September 16 2013 00:32 GMT
#77918
Idra is streaming dota 2. YES.
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
September 16 2013 00:32 GMT
#77919
On September 16 2013 09:32 TheEmulator wrote:
Idra is streaming dota 2. YES.


yeah this is really good for the community. His popularity is welcome.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
September 16 2013 00:46 GMT
#77920
On September 16 2013 09:29 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 08:31 Fatalize wrote:
IdrA's mechanics are pretty good if it's the first few games he has played of DotA. His last hits are pretty good


Last hitting isn't the hard part of Dota. But yeah he learns really fast. He plays with known players/pros though so he gets a lot of help from them.

some pros are better at last hitting than other pros.
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