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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
September 13 2013 16:35 GMT
#77561
On September 14 2013 01:32 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 01:18 NB wrote:
I feel like reading the Flash vs JD LR thread all over again. What do you mean it means very little for [A] if KP won? iG took at least 6(8?) month of being undefeated after they won TI2. For [A] to lose right now is quite an embarrassment to me.

The difference of course being that iG had very few games to play at all, whereas Alliance are already jumping straight back into the European tournament schedule. But if you ignore that then you're completely right.

shhh
kp #1
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 13 2013 16:36 GMT
#77562
On September 14 2013 01:35 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 01:32 kollin wrote:
On September 14 2013 01:18 NB wrote:
I feel like reading the Flash vs JD LR thread all over again. What do you mean it means very little for [A] if KP won? iG took at least 6(8?) month of being undefeated after they won TI2. For [A] to lose right now is quite an embarrassment to me.

The difference of course being that iG had very few games to play at all, whereas Alliance are already jumping straight back into the European tournament schedule. But if you ignore that then you're completely right.

shhh
kp #1

The evidence is overwhelming. If [A] loses a game, clearly they are weaker than before and the next team in line to be the best is KP. I mean, they took second in TI3....wait....no they didn't. Well they are really good and should be number 1 because....the internet says so.
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wentzA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States79 Posts
September 13 2013 16:37 GMT
#77563
Does anyone have an approximate idea of how many pages of very high games there are? My solo que matches are split between high and very high, so I am sure that I am near the bottom end of very high when I do play. But I have never been able to find my name in the current games tab. I once sorted by the hero I was playing, and scrolled through 80 pages of games, not finding my name.
dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
September 13 2013 16:38 GMT
#77564
On September 14 2013 01:36 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 01:35 Erasme wrote:
On September 14 2013 01:32 kollin wrote:
On September 14 2013 01:18 NB wrote:
I feel like reading the Flash vs JD LR thread all over again. What do you mean it means very little for [A] if KP won? iG took at least 6(8?) month of being undefeated after they won TI2. For [A] to lose right now is quite an embarrassment to me.

The difference of course being that iG had very few games to play at all, whereas Alliance are already jumping straight back into the European tournament schedule. But if you ignore that then you're completely right.

shhh
kp #1

The evidence is overwhelming. If [A] loses a game, clearly they are weaker than before and the next team in line to be the best is KP. I mean, they took second in TI3....wait....no they didn't. Well they are really good and should be number 1 because....the internet says so.

Don't argue with internet logic. The only team they lost to after TI3 got disbanded in a few days. Clearly they are the superior team.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 13 2013 16:41 GMT
#77565
On September 14 2013 01:38 dfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 01:36 Plansix wrote:
On September 14 2013 01:35 Erasme wrote:
On September 14 2013 01:32 kollin wrote:
On September 14 2013 01:18 NB wrote:
I feel like reading the Flash vs JD LR thread all over again. What do you mean it means very little for [A] if KP won? iG took at least 6(8?) month of being undefeated after they won TI2. For [A] to lose right now is quite an embarrassment to me.

The difference of course being that iG had very few games to play at all, whereas Alliance are already jumping straight back into the European tournament schedule. But if you ignore that then you're completely right.

shhh
kp #1

The evidence is overwhelming. If [A] loses a game, clearly they are weaker than before and the next team in line to be the best is KP. I mean, they took second in TI3....wait....no they didn't. Well they are really good and should be number 1 because....the internet says so.

Don't argue with internet logic. The only team they lost to after TI3 got disbanded in a few days. Clearly they are the superior team.

They were so good, they literally destroyed the opposing team. Clearly they are the best in the world. #Fullteamwipe
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 16:45:22
September 13 2013 16:43 GMT
#77566
On September 14 2013 01:18 NB wrote:
I feel like reading the Flash vs JD LR thread all over again. What do you mean it means very little for [A] if KP won? iG took at least 6(8?) month of being undefeated after they won TI2. For [A] to lose right now is quite an embarrassment to me.


iG didn't go undefeated for 6-8 months after winning ti2. After ti2 they lost in g1.

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Their big streak came after G-1 with WCG and G1 2012 s2. The entire '6 months' of winning were only those two events. Western teams play more games in 1 week than iG did in that 6 month series.

You're foolish if you think [A] losing would be an embarrassment, they won just about every major title they could win this year. I know we want to think every cup and every tournament matters but these online cups and small prize pool lans (yes even star ladder) are becoming less and less important to the big teams as the scene grows. We see how Na'Vi treats these online cups when they don't play very well and everyone says na'vi sucks and then they get 2nd at TI and everyone loves them again.

The point is, the lower tier teams (KP/Poseidon/insert unsponsored team) will always take these games more seriously because they need to win all of these games to have their big break, to make their name and to get into TI4. Alliance doesn't have to give a shit about WEPlay or TPL or even StarLadder to the same capacity of these lesser teams. For teams like KP these events are life and death, to Alliance, they're just practice.


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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
September 13 2013 16:46 GMT
#77567
Did the KP vs Alliance game already happen?
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
September 13 2013 16:46 GMT
#77568
Urgh, why are teams still not practicing with Chen? He's still so important.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
September 13 2013 16:47 GMT
#77569
On September 14 2013 01:46 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Did the KP vs Alliance game already happen?


valve was having server issues after a patch went live during the A vs KP draft and it messed everything up. The games were postponed until... I can't remember.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 13 2013 16:51 GMT
#77570
Alliance vs. Kaipi moved to 21 CEST on the 15th of September

you guys are no fun when it comes to story creating ... but again, Navi did went on a dominating streak, iG too. I think [A] will too but KP will be their first test .
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
September 13 2013 16:56 GMT
#77571
Kaipi... will be the first test for the team that won:

TPL 4
G1 s5
DH Summer 2013
StarLadder 6
TPL 5
TI3

While powerhouse Kp has won...eizo cups and big point battles.

These teams are not in the same universe, KP is an ant to alliance whether they win this random star ladder group match or not. I know KP is popular and everyone wants them to rule the world but they have a long way to go before they matter to teams like [A] Na'Vi etc.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 13 2013 17:00 GMT
#77572
Just curious, NB, do you have any Kaipi games to recommend showing how they're the strongest team in your mind? By their results there's nothing that stands out to me, so I'm assuming you're going off how they've looked in their games, and I haven't had much time to watch recently.
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Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
September 13 2013 17:08 GMT
#77573
On September 14 2013 02:00 TheYango wrote:
Just curious, NB, do you have any Kaipi games to recommend showing how they're the strongest team in your mind? By their results there's nothing that stands out to me, so I'm assuming you're going off how they've looked in their games, and I haven't had much time to watch recently.

You can tune into BTS right now to see them playing VP in a very messy game.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
September 13 2013 17:10 GMT
#77574
On September 14 2013 02:00 TheYango wrote:
Just curious, NB, do you have any Kaipi games to recommend showing how they're the strongest team in your mind? By their results there's nothing that stands out to me, so I'm assuming you're going off how they've looked in their games, and I haven't had much time to watch recently.

There is no evidence. He's going off of his opinion and not facts that they are the strongest.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 17:12:20
September 13 2013 17:10 GMT
#77575
On September 14 2013 02:00 TheYango wrote:
Just curious, NB, do you have any Kaipi games to recommend showing how they're the strongest team in your mind? By their results there's nothing that stands out to me, so I'm assuming you're going off how they've looked in their games, and I haven't had much time to watch recently.

KP vs fnatic is definitely what you are looking for. KP has been experimenting a lot whenever they got matched with a B-team so even if the final result is 3-2, the games are mostly them screwing around.



one of THE play + Show Spoiler +


On September 14 2013 02:10 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 02:00 TheYango wrote:
Just curious, NB, do you have any Kaipi games to recommend showing how they're the strongest team in your mind? By their results there's nothing that stands out to me, so I'm assuming you're going off how they've looked in their games, and I haven't had much time to watch recently.

There is no evidence. He's going off of his opinion and not facts that they are the strongest.

so... im liquid`bulba now?
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 13 2013 17:14 GMT
#77576
On September 14 2013 02:10 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 02:00 TheYango wrote:
Just curious, NB, do you have any Kaipi games to recommend showing how they're the strongest team in your mind? By their results there's nothing that stands out to me, so I'm assuming you're going off how they've looked in their games, and I haven't had much time to watch recently.

KP vs fnatic is definitely what you are looking for. KP has been experimenting a lot whenever they got matched with a B-team so even if the final result is 3-2, the games are mostly them screwing around.

https://twitter.com/KaiH4nn1/status/377142197763596289

one of THE play + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBY8ENh12_A


Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 02:10 TheEmulator wrote:
On September 14 2013 02:00 TheYango wrote:
Just curious, NB, do you have any Kaipi games to recommend showing how they're the strongest team in your mind? By their results there's nothing that stands out to me, so I'm assuming you're going off how they've looked in their games, and I haven't had much time to watch recently.

There is no evidence. He's going off of his opinion and not facts that they are the strongest.

so... im liquid`bulba now?

guys is this turning into nadota?
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Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
September 13 2013 17:24 GMT
#77577
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
September 13 2013 17:24 GMT
#77578
On September 14 2013 02:14 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 02:10 NB wrote:
On September 14 2013 02:00 TheYango wrote:
Just curious, NB, do you have any Kaipi games to recommend showing how they're the strongest team in your mind? By their results there's nothing that stands out to me, so I'm assuming you're going off how they've looked in their games, and I haven't had much time to watch recently.

KP vs fnatic is definitely what you are looking for. KP has been experimenting a lot whenever they got matched with a B-team so even if the final result is 3-2, the games are mostly them screwing around.

https://twitter.com/KaiH4nn1/status/377142197763596289

one of THE play + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBY8ENh12_A


On September 14 2013 02:10 TheEmulator wrote:
On September 14 2013 02:00 TheYango wrote:
Just curious, NB, do you have any Kaipi games to recommend showing how they're the strongest team in your mind? By their results there's nothing that stands out to me, so I'm assuming you're going off how they've looked in their games, and I haven't had much time to watch recently.

There is no evidence. He's going off of his opinion and not facts that they are the strongest.

so... im liquid`bulba now?

guys is this turning into nadota?



noway, this level of blind fanboyism is unprecedented.
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elt
Profile Joined July 2010
Thailand1092 Posts
September 13 2013 17:34 GMT
#77579
They showed near perfect team fight coordination that game, but I think that hardly warrants a 'strongest team' label. Other teams are familiar with that play style/combo of theirs yet, VP let them essentially have the same combo and got wrecked, but in the second game declined to give them the same team and it resulted in a much closer game.

I'm no Alliance fanboy but I'm pretty sure every team sat down and poured over their replays to try to beat them, and they still came out on top. Until KP withstand that level of scrutiny they're just another team that's playing very well right now.
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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
September 13 2013 17:36 GMT
#77580
KP's pretty inconsistent, but when they win they usually look really good. Plus I'm pretty sure they won 2-1 over Alliance last time the two teams played (a few weeks before the international I think). Alliance is obviously the better team, no1s gonna argue that, but I don't think it's beyond Kaipi to pull a win.


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