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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
September 13 2013 10:01 GMT
#77521
On September 13 2013 17:58 Altsa wrote:
So here´s something you can do:

-Play with 4 friends with voice communication(skype etc)
-Every single line your hero speaks you have to speak out loud to your friends, the more you can copy the voice acting the better
-wisp is banned
-No other means of communication except pinging are allowed.

Wtf why is wisp banned? He should be made compulsory imo.
Moderator
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10956 Posts
September 13 2013 10:09 GMT
#77522
On September 13 2013 19:01 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 17:58 Altsa wrote:
So here´s something you can do:

-Play with 4 friends with voice communication(skype etc)
-Every single line your hero speaks you have to speak out loud to your friends, the more you can copy the voice acting the better
-wisp is banned
-No other means of communication except pinging are allowed.

Wtf why is wisp banned? He should be made compulsory imo.



The only reason i like Axe... Shouting: "THERE IS NO TEAM IN AXE" at my friends whenever i die (reason doesn't matter... you win teamfights and die? "THERE IS NO TEAM IN AXE", you die alone like a moron? "THERE IS NO TEAM IN AXE". You chop (aka steal) heads off? "THERE IS NO TEAM IN AXE"....

Best line in the game imho :D.

Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
September 13 2013 10:13 GMT
#77523
On September 13 2013 17:58 Altsa wrote:
So here´s something you can do:

-Play with 4 friends with voice communication(skype etc)
-Every single line your hero speaks you have to speak out loud to your friends, the more you can copy the voice acting the better
-wisp is banned
-No other means of communication except pinging are allowed.


SUBMIT TO THE EMPIRE OF BONE
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
September 13 2013 10:17 GMT
#77524
On September 13 2013 19:13 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 17:58 Altsa wrote:
So here´s something you can do:

-Play with 4 friends with voice communication(skype etc)
-Every single line your hero speaks you have to speak out loud to your friends, the more you can copy the voice acting the better
-wisp is banned
-No other means of communication except pinging are allowed.


SUBMIT TO THE EMPIRE OF BONE


You know I'm pretty sure there are specialist sites for that kind of stuff. >_>
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
September 13 2013 10:24 GMT
#77525
reminds me of this

LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
September 13 2013 10:25 GMT
#77526
On September 13 2013 18:54 Mouzone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 18:12 writer22816 wrote:
For the last 15-20 games I've been futilely trying to carry my team by myself, picking mid heroes like SF, slark etc, leading to of course more losses than wins.

Now today I went fuck it and starting picking PL. However it seems like the matchmaker has finally decided it's time for me to win because in both games I played today, my team literally won 4v5 without me. The second game I even had to lane safe lane solo against WR + kunkka doing some Zhou-style 1-protect-4 but then suddenly all the other lanes win, mid pudge wins against invoker (wtf LOL), goes like 8-0 in 15 minutes and their alch who was laning safe lane solo against our Slark + Axe got utterly decimated. Valve MMR lmao.

In all seriousness though, I know that Valve has publicly announced that their matchmaking doesn't try to enforce winrates and never looks at your past winrate, but it's games like this that really make you scratch your head and wonder what really goes on in matchmaking.


Yes, the matchmaking is crappy. Basically my game history is made up by win streaks and loss streaks, there's rarely a streak of mixed results.


Yup.

The day before yesterday.
I lost like 7 games in a row.

Yesterday, won like 7 games in a row.
Now just lost 2 games.

Rarely have a mixed win/loss ratio.
Usually a long winning streak followed by losing streak.
Rinse and repeat.

The matchmaking system is broken.
Play your best
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 10:28:08
September 13 2013 10:27 GMT
#77527
On September 13 2013 19:09 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 19:01 Firebolt145 wrote:
On September 13 2013 17:58 Altsa wrote:
So here´s something you can do:

-Play with 4 friends with voice communication(skype etc)
-Every single line your hero speaks you have to speak out loud to your friends, the more you can copy the voice acting the better
-wisp is banned
-No other means of communication except pinging are allowed.

Wtf why is wisp banned? He should be made compulsory imo.



The only reason i like Axe... Shouting: "THERE IS NO TEAM IN AXE" at my friends whenever i die (reason doesn't matter... you win teamfights and die? "THERE IS NO TEAM IN AXE", you die alone like a moron? "THERE IS NO TEAM IN AXE". You chop (aka steal) heads off? "THERE IS NO TEAM IN AXE"....

Best line in the game imho :D.



"where were you!?"

"Trees are not so good with motion, you know"

"we need wards"

"I'll get there. Eventually"
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
September 13 2013 10:40 GMT
#77528
On September 13 2013 18:24 BlitzerSC wrote:
???

How do you win your lane as Pudge vs Invoker ? Please tell me. There is no way Pudge can survive cold snap harass.


At level 3, you can barely survive a straight up manfight vs Invoker. That should let you snowball well enough. Otherwise, exp hug til level 5, which is the second point in time you can win another manfight. Your ideal fight would be with the help of creeps or towers of course. The latter will be near-impossible if the Invoker is a good mid/has wards on the high ground, so you have to time your hook (and land it) within a second of the last enemy creep dying.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
September 13 2013 11:00 GMT
#77529
On September 13 2013 19:24 icystorage wrote:
reminds me of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V3pnk7J7QM

Fuck me...
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
tapes
Profile Joined January 2013
487 Posts
September 13 2013 11:03 GMT
#77530
On September 13 2013 19:25 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 18:54 Mouzone wrote:
On September 13 2013 18:12 writer22816 wrote:
For the last 15-20 games I've been futilely trying to carry my team by myself, picking mid heroes like SF, slark etc, leading to of course more losses than wins.

Now today I went fuck it and starting picking PL. However it seems like the matchmaker has finally decided it's time for me to win because in both games I played today, my team literally won 4v5 without me. The second game I even had to lane safe lane solo against WR + kunkka doing some Zhou-style 1-protect-4 but then suddenly all the other lanes win, mid pudge wins against invoker (wtf LOL), goes like 8-0 in 15 minutes and their alch who was laning safe lane solo against our Slark + Axe got utterly decimated. Valve MMR lmao.

In all seriousness though, I know that Valve has publicly announced that their matchmaking doesn't try to enforce winrates and never looks at your past winrate, but it's games like this that really make you scratch your head and wonder what really goes on in matchmaking.


Yes, the matchmaking is crappy. Basically my game history is made up by win streaks and loss streaks, there's rarely a streak of mixed results.


Yup.

The day before yesterday.
I lost like 7 games in a row.

Yesterday, won like 7 games in a row.
Now just lost 2 games.

Rarely have a mixed win/loss ratio.
Usually a long winning streak followed by losing streak.
Rinse and repeat.

The matchmaking system is broken.

Win and loss streaks without context and confirmation bias? This is like the worst proof of the matchmaking system being broken.
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
September 13 2013 11:45 GMT
#77531
http://nest.sports.cn/MatchsLive.aspx

NEST match of Rsnake vs LFZS right now.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 13 2013 11:53 GMT
#77532
On September 13 2013 20:00 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 19:24 icystorage wrote:
reminds me of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V3pnk7J7QM

Fuck me...


fucking rofl
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
September 13 2013 12:06 GMT
#77533
On September 13 2013 18:40 beef42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 18:33 Mithhaike wrote:
On September 13 2013 18:24 BlitzerSC wrote:
???

How do you win your lane as Pudge vs Invoker ? Please tell me. There is no way Pudge can survive cold snap harass.

You try for a level 2/3 kill. If success, you won that lane. If fail, tough it out till level 6 with bottle crow and try to kill him again. As for gold,i assume you know how to pull the creep line back so that you at least get a couple of last hits.


In my experience, Invoker will win a manfight from level 4 onwards, even if he is hooked. He needs to cast both cold snap and sunstrike. Especially if Invoker has creep advantage.

From level 7 Pudge goes back to winning if he uses both his spells.

I'm still trying to figure are you agreeing or disagreeing with me hahaha. Or are you just expanding on my post?
Mew Mew Pew Pew
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 12:15:17
September 13 2013 12:14 GMT
#77534
Joindota has released their ti3 highlight reel now:
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
September 13 2013 12:28 GMT
#77535
On September 13 2013 18:24 BlitzerSC wrote:
???

How do you win your lane as Pudge vs Invoker ? Please tell me. There is no way Pudge can survive cold snap harass.

Watch Dendi? Half his pudge games he seems to be facing an invoker.

The one thing he does is he doesn't bottle rush, so he starts with a lot of hp and regen (gauntlets, tango, 2 salves, 3 branches i think). So most pub pudges seem to have low hp and can't win a 1v1 with a strong right clicker, but dendi's 6 strength (114 hp) + tango (345) + 2 salves (800, even more since he drops items) is a lot to go through. There's no way you should be out by level 3.

Invoker should have ... 682 hp to your 853 hp, and he loses 180 if he gets hooked, how is he manfighting you.
Derity
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2952 Posts
September 13 2013 12:37 GMT
#77536
dota2 network down for anyone else?
dadde
Profile Joined August 2010
Italy314 Posts
September 13 2013 12:45 GMT
#77537
yes is down
Do Well,Fear No One
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
September 13 2013 13:46 GMT
#77538
On September 13 2013 18:24 BlitzerSC wrote:
???

How do you win your lane as Pudge vs Invoker ? Please tell me. There is no way Pudge can survive cold snap harass.


Why do you manfight or try to contest invoker in mid lane. Just took levels and gank non stop. Either your overall positioning in lane or the mentality of this match-up is wrong. Let him cs/deny. You grab XP at level 7, smoke, go other lanes and kill them.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3459 Posts
September 13 2013 14:08 GMT
#77539
On September 13 2013 20:53 FinestHour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 20:00 Targe wrote:
On September 13 2013 19:24 icystorage wrote:
reminds me of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V3pnk7J7QM

Fuck me...


fucking rofl


Best Dota Vid in history LMAO haha.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 13 2013 14:13 GMT
#77540
On September 13 2013 21:14 Yoshi- wrote:
Joindota has released their ti3 highlight reel now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MSHeBM74woY

shits intense as fuck
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
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