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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 11 2012 11:58 GMT
#7521
On April 11 2012 20:53 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well new top bans not yet incorporated into meta are probably:

Rubick Thrall Wisp are probably going to be in it, though I don't feel like any of them are gamebreaking by themselves, DK bans them out of habit because of their safe consistent style and not wanting to be cheesed in the early stages of the new meta

DS: borrowed from the Dota2 meta, strong against a lot of the heros in the current Chinese meta and shown to utterly crush WE in the G-1 finals (admittedly this was pre-nerf), so should be pretty high for a while while teams adjust to it

TC: yeah, shit's pretty strong, and the ult is devastating in a meta that relies on facepwn heroes that just charge you

Terrorblade: This is pretty bullshit, though it'll take a team with the balls to pick it up and destroy with it before you'll see it banned

Morphling: Yeahok, we've nerfed all the old hard carries and buffed this, which has always had good midgame presence, but same as above in that he won't be banned until after some rape ensues


Rubick can be pretty gamebreaking. Thrall is not, though he has a lot of troll abilities. Not so sure about Wisp after his re-scaling nerfs, though he is very incredible with some heroes.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 12:02:35
April 11 2012 12:02 GMT
#7522
I think WE got dragged to a 1 hour game against DT.Club in Road to Starswar when they let Rubick through the bans. I just remember seeing one of those bullshit moments that only Rubick is capable of.

Rubick gets ganked 3v1 by Lina, Panda, and Earthshaker. Rubick steals Panda's ult, uses it. Kills Lina. Ult ends, Rubick steals Fissure from ES. Gets away.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 12:12:00
April 11 2012 12:11 GMT
#7523
Eh, I feel like that's just a huge misplay and the best case since iirc the old morphling spellsteal didn't work on Panda Ult, but basically with a decent amount of experience against it it'd be extremely rare to see Rubick to steal anything as broken as Panda Ult. Don't get me wrong I still think its extremely strong, but the unreliability factor and having nothing that goes through bkb makes me think it's not as gamebreaking as the hype makes it out to be)

Wheras I think thrall is somewhat underestimated, his field and ult are ridiculously strong in organized formational play and the troll factor of "HEY I HEAR U LIKE TPs" will basically give u a lot of advantageous teamfights and controll in the midgame

and yeah, no clue about wisp, its easy to theorycraft about abusing combos, but hard to say how well they'll ban out in practice in CWs
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 11 2012 12:28 GMT
#7524
On April 11 2012 21:11 Kupon3ss wrote:
Eh, I feel like that's just a huge misplay and the best case since iirc the old morphling spellsteal didn't work on Panda Ult, but basically with a decent amount of experience against it it'd be extremely rare to see Rubick to steal anything as broken as Panda Ult. Don't get me wrong I still think its extremely strong, but the unreliability factor and having nothing that goes through bkb makes me think it's not as gamebreaking as the hype makes it out to be)

Wheras I think thrall is somewhat underestimated, his field and ult are ridiculously strong in organized formational play and the troll factor of "HEY I HEAR U LIKE TPs" will basically give u a lot of advantageous teamfights and controll in the midgame

and yeah, no clue about wisp, its easy to theorycraft about abusing combos, but hard to say how well they'll ban out in practice in CWs

it's actually very easy to pick out teamfight spells because 1000 casting range, and all his other abilities are quite nice to have.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Tryhat
Profile Joined March 2012
160 Posts
April 11 2012 15:13 GMT
#7525
What makes Batrider so strong? What is it that he does in a teamfight? What does he do in the lane? What kinda lanes are he played in? Do the chinese farm him alot? What kinda items do they get on him?

So many questions!
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
April 11 2012 15:49 GMT
#7526
On April 12 2012 00:13 Tryhat wrote:
What makes Batrider so strong? What is it that he does in a teamfight? What does he do in the lane? What kinda lanes are he played in? Do the chinese farm him alot? What kinda items do they get on him?

So many questions!

i think one of the best thing about batrider is that his ult goes through BKB
dats racist
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 16:08:52
April 11 2012 16:07 GMT
#7527
--- Nuked ---
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 16:24:34
April 11 2012 16:18 GMT
#7528
Toby Dawson ‏ @TobiWanDOTA
Merlini is back playing for SK Gaming -- His game starts in a few moment

new SK roster? :o

stream - http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Tobi Wan Kenobi

edit: nvm its girl roster...
Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
April 11 2012 16:21 GMT
#7529
To add on top of that Batrider can build extremely tanky and clears creep waves quickly. I would say his biggest fault is if he loses in lane he will have a hard time catching up and getting core items and subsequently doing well in ganks. Farming a fast blink on him is very strong, but he can also just get tank items like vanguard and hood/pipe especially if his team has another good initiator.
What does it matter how I loose it?
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
April 11 2012 16:25 GMT
#7530
On April 12 2012 01:18 dragonborn wrote:
Toby Dawson ‏ @TobiWanDOTA
Merlini is back playing for SK Gaming -- His game starts in a few moment

new SK roster? :o

stream - http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Tobi Wan Kenobi

edit: nvm its girl roster...


hm, so he's not back?
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
April 11 2012 16:26 GMT
#7531
Tobi said that he will play in next game...
duckii
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1017 Posts
April 11 2012 16:34 GMT
#7532
they scrapped the girl only team idea. Sayuri will be the captain of SK though afaik
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
April 11 2012 16:34 GMT
#7533
On April 11 2012 20:58 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 20:53 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well new top bans not yet incorporated into meta are probably:

Rubick Thrall Wisp are probably going to be in it, though I don't feel like any of them are gamebreaking by themselves, DK bans them out of habit because of their safe consistent style and not wanting to be cheesed in the early stages of the new meta

DS: borrowed from the Dota2 meta, strong against a lot of the heros in the current Chinese meta and shown to utterly crush WE in the G-1 finals (admittedly this was pre-nerf), so should be pretty high for a while while teams adjust to it

TC: yeah, shit's pretty strong, and the ult is devastating in a meta that relies on facepwn heroes that just charge you

Terrorblade: This is pretty bullshit, though it'll take a team with the balls to pick it up and destroy with it before you'll see it banned

Morphling: Yeahok, we've nerfed all the old hard carries and buffed this, which has always had good midgame presence, but same as above in that he won't be banned until after some rape ensues


Rubick can be pretty gamebreaking. Thrall is not, though he has a lot of troll abilities. Not so sure about Wisp after his re-scaling nerfs, though he is very incredible with some heroes.


Rubick is really tough on enigma, since he can steal black hole, enigma has to channel it, and steal pierces bkb.

Thrall is really good against a lot of heroes, especially now that the dota2 metagame has gone after a lot of escaping heroes. Blink/leap->glimpse. Windrun/shukuchi/surge->kinetic. And he destroys furion. He gets a lot weaker once you get counter items.

Moreover, if wisp ports on you, you can just send him or his ally back and reverse the gank.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
April 11 2012 16:43 GMT
#7534
On April 12 2012 01:21 Percutio wrote:
To add on top of that Batrider can build extremely tanky and clears creep waves quickly. I would say his biggest fault is if he loses in lane he will have a hard time catching up and getting core items and subsequently doing well in ganks. Farming a fast blink on him is very strong, but he can also just get tank items like vanguard and hood/pipe especially if his team has another good initiator.


That's actually one of his greatest strengths, even if he gets destroyed in lane he can just meander into the jungle and clear 3-4 camps at a time with correct stacking and firefly, leading to an early blink pretty much no matter what you do. Basically he's shown to have no real weaknesses and will always be able to lasso a guy while drowning your team in a sea of flames, if you add in the new improvements on flamebreak you'll see why he's so ridiculous
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 11 2012 16:50 GMT
#7535
On April 12 2012 01:34 igotmyown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 20:58 rabidch wrote:
On April 11 2012 20:53 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well new top bans not yet incorporated into meta are probably:

Rubick Thrall Wisp are probably going to be in it, though I don't feel like any of them are gamebreaking by themselves, DK bans them out of habit because of their safe consistent style and not wanting to be cheesed in the early stages of the new meta

DS: borrowed from the Dota2 meta, strong against a lot of the heros in the current Chinese meta and shown to utterly crush WE in the G-1 finals (admittedly this was pre-nerf), so should be pretty high for a while while teams adjust to it

TC: yeah, shit's pretty strong, and the ult is devastating in a meta that relies on facepwn heroes that just charge you

Terrorblade: This is pretty bullshit, though it'll take a team with the balls to pick it up and destroy with it before you'll see it banned

Morphling: Yeahok, we've nerfed all the old hard carries and buffed this, which has always had good midgame presence, but same as above in that he won't be banned until after some rape ensues


Rubick can be pretty gamebreaking. Thrall is not, though he has a lot of troll abilities. Not so sure about Wisp after his re-scaling nerfs, though he is very incredible with some heroes.


Rubick is really tough on enigma, since he can steal black hole, enigma has to channel it, and steal pierces bkb.

Thrall is really good against a lot of heroes, especially now that the dota2 metagame has gone after a lot of escaping heroes. Blink/leap->glimpse. Windrun/shukuchi/surge->kinetic. And he destroys furion. He gets a lot weaker once you get counter items.

Moreover, if wisp ports on you, you can just send him or his ally back and reverse the gank.

but he isn't gamebreaking... thrall needs levels quite a bit.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 11 2012 17:56 GMT
#7536
I still don't understand why people insist on upgrading their vit booster into vanguard on ranged heroes
It doesn't give more HP and there are other routes to routes to the regen.

But that's just my opinion, of course.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 18:07:29
April 11 2012 18:01 GMT
#7537
http://public.4pl.4players.de/index.php/en/team.info/32722/SK_Gaming_Dota2.html

KUROOOOOOOOOOOOKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 11 2012 18:04 GMT
#7538
On April 12 2012 02:56 Unleashing wrote:
I still don't understand why people insist on upgrading their vit booster into vanguard on ranged heroes
It doesn't give more HP and there are other routes to routes to the regen.

But that's just my opinion, of course.


I agree, buying up a plain vit booster or drums just seems far better than getting vanguard on ranged heroes.
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
April 11 2012 18:13 GMT
#7539
On April 12 2012 01:50 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 01:34 igotmyown wrote:
On April 11 2012 20:58 rabidch wrote:
On April 11 2012 20:53 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well new top bans not yet incorporated into meta are probably:

Rubick Thrall Wisp are probably going to be in it, though I don't feel like any of them are gamebreaking by themselves, DK bans them out of habit because of their safe consistent style and not wanting to be cheesed in the early stages of the new meta

DS: borrowed from the Dota2 meta, strong against a lot of the heros in the current Chinese meta and shown to utterly crush WE in the G-1 finals (admittedly this was pre-nerf), so should be pretty high for a while while teams adjust to it

TC: yeah, shit's pretty strong, and the ult is devastating in a meta that relies on facepwn heroes that just charge you

Terrorblade: This is pretty bullshit, though it'll take a team with the balls to pick it up and destroy with it before you'll see it banned

Morphling: Yeahok, we've nerfed all the old hard carries and buffed this, which has always had good midgame presence, but same as above in that he won't be banned until after some rape ensues


Rubick can be pretty gamebreaking. Thrall is not, though he has a lot of troll abilities. Not so sure about Wisp after his re-scaling nerfs, though he is very incredible with some heroes.


Rubick is really tough on enigma, since he can steal black hole, enigma has to channel it, and steal pierces bkb.

Thrall is really good against a lot of heroes, especially now that the dota2 metagame has gone after a lot of escaping heroes. Blink/leap->glimpse. Windrun/shukuchi/surge->kinetic. And he destroys furion. He gets a lot weaker once you get counter items.

Moreover, if wisp ports on you, you can just send him or his ally back and reverse the gank.

but he isn't gamebreaking... thrall needs levels quite a bit.

wow I think necro book could be amazing on him, also 1800 cast range on time glimpse or whats its name seems very strong
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
April 11 2012 18:45 GMT
#7540
On April 12 2012 03:01 dragonborn wrote:
http://public.4pl.4players.de/index.php/en/team.info/32722/SK_Gaming_Dota2.html

KUROOOOOOOOOOOOKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WOOOOOOOOT
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