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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 25 2013 09:55 GMT
#73821
Doom is a silence so yeah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 25 2013 09:57 GMT
#73822
Doom is a Doom, but still yeah
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
August 25 2013 09:58 GMT
#73823
Doom is the best spell in Dota 2 I am sure we can all agree to that
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
August 25 2013 10:03 GMT
#73824
DOOOOOOOOOOOMMM.

I think Valve should change the way the up/down voting system for observers works, should be only able to vote after the game ends or at like last 10 minutes because there are so many people upvoting games as soon as they begin so this really doesn't tell you much about whether watching the game is worth it or not.

Luckily there are still TL polls remaining
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 25 2013 10:28 GMT
#73825
And you should also be able to change your vote
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 10:55:02
August 25 2013 10:51 GMT
#73826
On August 25 2013 15:52 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 15:20 Shaella wrote:
On August 25 2013 15:14 motbob wrote:
On August 25 2013 15:12 ptbl wrote:
On August 25 2013 13:10 motbob wrote:
On August 25 2013 09:34 Lodasrecedinhairline wrote:
Aui_2000 just mentioned on his stream that he might take a break from competitive dota2 for a year so he might not be at TI4.

If there is a TI4!


If there is no ti4, valve would erase all the goodwill they have received over the years in an instaneous second. The esports community would be up in arms, etc.

Why are they obligated to run a tournament that loses them millions forever? If they aren't obligated to run it forever, why would they erase all their built up good will by not holding a TI4?

1. They didn't lose that much money on TI3
2. Its called a marketing budget
3. It creates more value in the long run with the steam market, chests, and new players, as well as spreading interest in comp dota, and therefore tickets for tournaments, and pennants for team, all of which are profit for valve

why wouldn't they hold TI4

I don't understand what in my posts you are replying to. I never asked why Valve would want to run a TI4, nor did I argue that they shouldn't.

Nevertheless, since we're on the subject, let me just point out that there is no way that Valve didn't lose millions on TI3, unless you count Compendium purchases, in which case they probably only lost a little bit.

Let's think about the expenses:

- Rent a big concert hall for a week, hire some outside staff to act as ushers for that week.
- Hire a huge production crew and rent equipment for one week.
- Fly a bunch of people to Seattle, often from countries from which plane tickets are very expensive.
- Host a bunch of people in a downtown Seattle hotel for a week.
- Build a stage (not from scratch, admittedly)
- Put a bunch of Valve employees to work organizing/running the event and not building value for the company (opportunity cost).
- Prize pool
- Misc expenses (food for players / advertising for the event itself)

And the revenues:

- Secret shop sales (which come to think of it would be considerable)

So, yes, it cost millions to run. Unless you have some source that says otherwise?

EDIT: Let me reiterate: If you read my posts carefully you will see that I am not arguing that it is unlikely that Valve will host TI4. Nor am I arguing that it is not in their best interest to do so.


When I was at TI3, I was surprised how low cost it looked. I'm not saying it was cheap, but they didn't have to do create much for presentation. The hall was already there, and I'm guessing most events, including gaming events, have sound people, video people.

I mean, there was the little bruno maelk 2gd merlini desk, there were the little team booths they created for people to play in, and the secret shop construction, and some tvs they peppered all over the place, but the rest was already there at benayaro hall.

Flying people in and feeding them and paying workers is pricey, but not business event pricey.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 25 2013 12:13 GMT
#73827
No fucking way. Watching Dendi's stream. 2:30 he's got 2 kills and hits a fountain hook to get to his third kill. :D
super gg
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
August 25 2013 12:24 GMT
#73828
On August 25 2013 18:58 TheEmulator wrote:
Doom is the best spell in Dota 2 I am sure we can all agree to that

I really like Shallow Grave for non-ults but yeah. I'm hard pressed to find an ult better than Doom...
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 12:30:43
August 25 2013 12:24 GMT
#73829
Hey guys, I don't post about my guides here much, but I figured out how to put a marker for when the guides were last updated (:

[image loading]
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
August 25 2013 12:35 GMT
#73830
well done macaroni.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 12:38:35
August 25 2013 12:36 GMT
#73831
On August 25 2013 21:24 Torte de Lini wrote:
Hey guys, I don't post about my guides here much, but I figured out how to put a marker for when the guides were last updated (:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I've noticed today on your doom guide. Cool feature

Speaking of guides is there a way to have your pinned guides always up as soon as the game starts instead of having to wait for the game to load it?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 25 2013 12:41 GMT
#73832
Thanks :D

Unfortunately not since they're retrieving the guides you subscribed (pinned) through the cloud (or through another part of your game as I've noticed they are also saved locally). It's weird.

For guides you previously used in one session, they'll load much faster. Each time you restart the client, the loading is restarted sadly. I talked to a dev. about it, but instead we squashed several other bugs and issues.

Cloud storage is just slow ):
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 25 2013 12:43 GMT
#73833
really good idea torte! all guides should be timestamped since they inevitably lose value over time with balance and meta changes.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
August 25 2013 12:46 GMT
#73834
Lifestealer is arguably one of the best junglers
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 25 2013 13:03 GMT
#73835
On August 25 2013 21:46 gaymon wrote:
Lifestealer is arguably one of the best junglers


Although he is an incredible laner, his jungling abilities are what appeals to most people (including myself).
Also, that description is very old haha, thanks for reminding me.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 25 2013 13:03 GMT
#73836
On August 25 2013 22:03 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 21:46 gaymon wrote:
Lifestealer is arguably one of the best junglers


Although he is an incredible laner, his jungling abilities are what appeals to most people (including myself).
Also, that description is very old haha, thanks for reminding me.


On August 25 2013 21:43 PassiveAce wrote:
really good idea torte! all guides should be timestamped since they inevitably lose value over time with balance and meta changes.


Thanks! Hopefully it attracts more users to consider these guides.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
August 25 2013 13:08 GMT
#73837
On August 25 2013 22:03 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 21:46 gaymon wrote:
Lifestealer is arguably one of the best junglers


Although he is an incredible laner, his jungling abilities are what appeals to most people (including myself).
Also, that description is very old haha, thanks for reminding me.

He is a terrible jungler if your opponents have any clue of the game and take a small peek into your jungle just to find you on 30% hp because you did not get lucky spawns :/
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
August 25 2013 13:09 GMT
#73838
On August 25 2013 21:46 gaymon wrote:
Lifestealer is arguably one of the best junglers

I would say atleast Chen, Ench, Enigma and Natures Prophet are superior, not sure about LC since I have no experience with him/her.
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brad drac
Profile Joined May 2010
Ireland202 Posts
August 25 2013 13:10 GMT
#73839
Dendi so awesome. A magnus was being a dick, so he relocated him into the enemy fountain and body blocked him to death.
Saying what we think gives us a wider conversational range than saying what we know.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 13:20:59
August 25 2013 13:15 GMT
#73840
On August 25 2013 22:09 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 21:46 gaymon wrote:
Lifestealer is arguably one of the best junglers

I would say atleast Chen, Ench, Enigma and Natures Prophet are superior, not sure about LC since I have no experience with him/her.


NJP, Ench and Chen are what I consider top junglers I think. Engima farms really well too though, especially when you want that very fast blink! LS farms jungle much slower, but it is easier and you can get midas at around 7 to 7:30, so it isn't too bad in public games and letting your allies get more exp.

On August 25 2013 22:08 gaymon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 22:03 Torte de Lini wrote:
On August 25 2013 21:46 gaymon wrote:
Lifestealer is arguably one of the best junglers


Although he is an incredible laner, his jungling abilities are what appeals to most people (including myself).
Also, that description is very old haha, thanks for reminding me.

He is a terrible jungler if your opponents have any clue of the game and take a small peek into your jungle just to find you on 30% hp because you did not get lucky spawns :/


I've never hit below 30%, I think you're thinking Ursa. I've played at least a few hundred games of Lifestealer (off-hand, but he's considered one of my most-played).

Anyways I've updated the description

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128728638
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
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