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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 23 2013 16:25 GMT
#73541
On August 24 2013 01:20 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 01:15 Numy wrote:
On August 24 2013 01:13 HollowLord wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:03 EnumaAvalon wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:00 PassiveAce wrote:
On August 23 2013 23:59 TheYango wrote:
On August 23 2013 23:56 PassiveAce wrote:
On August 23 2013 23:51 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 23 2013 23:40 Grettin wrote:
On August 23 2013 23:38 BlitzerSC wrote:
[quote]

Why would you do such thing ?


at the start of the game, i guess i left that out. so basically bought sentries somehow without the gold, sold them to get more at the start.

You mean his teammates pooled him sentries and he sold them for gold? yeah thats an old known bug I think. Generally you can punish the NOBODY HAS ANY ITEMS AT LEVEL 1 strat but I guess sometimes not.

I thought they fixed that bug with sentries and clarities :/

I don't recall there ever being a patch note for it being fixed.

I thought I remembered watching EE's stream while he complained that he couldnt do the clarity trick anymore. Could be wrong though :p

Whoa! A pro complained not being able to exploit a bug? Darn. Hahaha!


Creative use of game mechanics.


No, pooling has basically always been illegal. Not meant to be able to sell other peoples items.


It isn't even useful since you can already pool regen. 50% efficiency plus startup cost makes it not worthwhile regardless probably.

Unless you're EE.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 23 2013 16:27 GMT
#73542
On August 24 2013 01:25 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 01:20 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On August 24 2013 01:15 Numy wrote:
On August 24 2013 01:13 HollowLord wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:03 EnumaAvalon wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:00 PassiveAce wrote:
On August 23 2013 23:59 TheYango wrote:
On August 23 2013 23:56 PassiveAce wrote:
On August 23 2013 23:51 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 23 2013 23:40 Grettin wrote:
[quote]

at the start of the game, i guess i left that out. so basically bought sentries somehow without the gold, sold them to get more at the start.

You mean his teammates pooled him sentries and he sold them for gold? yeah thats an old known bug I think. Generally you can punish the NOBODY HAS ANY ITEMS AT LEVEL 1 strat but I guess sometimes not.

I thought they fixed that bug with sentries and clarities :/

I don't recall there ever being a patch note for it being fixed.

I thought I remembered watching EE's stream while he complained that he couldnt do the clarity trick anymore. Could be wrong though :p

Whoa! A pro complained not being able to exploit a bug? Darn. Hahaha!


Creative use of game mechanics.


No, pooling has basically always been illegal. Not meant to be able to sell other peoples items.


It isn't even useful since you can already pool regen. 50% efficiency plus startup cost makes it not worthwhile regardless probably.

Unless you're EE.

The tax you pay to play with EE.
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SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
August 23 2013 16:27 GMT
#73543
its ~2k gold if everyone pools their sentries to a single person
i think there was a video of it with a pudge buying blink right off the bat

pretty useless if you ask me
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 23 2013 16:29 GMT
#73544
On August 24 2013 01:27 SKYFISH_ wrote:
its ~2k gold if everyone pools their sentries to a single person
i think there was a video of it with a pudge buying blink right off the bat

pretty useless if you ask me

well, for one thing pudge literally cannot buy a blink dagger.
For another, its 603 + (4x600/2=1200) = 1803 gold so... unless randoms it isn't even enough for stuff like midas.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
August 23 2013 16:31 GMT
#73545
On August 24 2013 01:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 01:27 SKYFISH_ wrote:
its ~2k gold if everyone pools their sentries to a single person
i think there was a video of it with a pudge buying blink right off the bat

pretty useless if you ask me

well, for one thing pudge literally cannot buy a blink dagger.
For another, its 603 + (4x600/2=1200) = 1803 gold so... unless randoms it isn't even enough for stuff like midas.


The person getting pooled has to buy a sentry ward as well so that the bug works.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
August 23 2013 16:39 GMT
#73546
On August 24 2013 01:27 SKYFISH_ wrote:
its ~2k gold if everyone pools their sentries to a single person
i think there was a video of it with a pudge buying blink right off the bat

pretty useless if you ask me

i'd just give minute 0 midas to alch and let a fair amount of the gold remain especially for the mid laner. draft someone like prophet who doesn't actually need items to go up against a trilane besides a few clarities at most and you just pretty much won the game.
hell, even doing something like giving a soul ring to Brood would basically win you the game. level 1 bottle plus wraith band for Shadow Fiend? level 1 oblivion staff for qop or storm? shit's scary.
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zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
August 23 2013 16:40 GMT
#73547
On August 24 2013 01:27 SKYFISH_ wrote:
its ~2k gold if everyone pools their sentries to a single person
i think there was a video of it with a pudge buying blink right off the bat

pretty useless if you ask me

pudge can't buy blink....
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
August 23 2013 16:46 GMT
#73548
On August 24 2013 01:39 Nocticate wrote:
hell, even doing something like giving a soul ring to Brood would basically win you the game.

How the fuck is a level 1 soul ring brood going to win the game.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
August 23 2013 16:47 GMT
#73549
On August 24 2013 01:40 zezamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 01:27 SKYFISH_ wrote:
its ~2k gold if everyone pools their sentries to a single person
i think there was a video of it with a pudge buying blink right off the bat

pretty useless if you ask me

pudge can't buy blink....

It was a bug before that you pool the player then he repicks to pudge. Look at Na'Vi's Tricks and tips on their youtube
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 23 2013 16:48 GMT
#73550
Yeah, TBH @ level 1 the most important thing in the game is XP, and while midas *does* give you an early lead in that you can't even get a midas @level 1 unless there are some randoming shenanigans going on. MAYBE lvl 1 rosh with a pooled medallion or something is the best strat I can think of but really just 5-man TP for that shit if you are so coordinated I think.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 16:53:22
August 23 2013 16:53 GMT
#73551
On August 24 2013 01:46 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 01:39 Nocticate wrote:
hell, even doing something like giving a soul ring to Brood would basically win you the game.

How the fuck is a level 1 soul ring brood going to win the game.

Level 1 Soul Ring is pointless for Brood because in virtually all circumstances she won't even get Spawn Spiderlings until level 2, and it won't be good to spam until like level 3 because the first rank isn't that good--it's damage at rank 1 is equal to its damage gain per rank.

If you really feel the need, you can pool her regen. Beyond that, there's not much excuse for Brood not having her Soul Ring by level 3 unless it's a 1v3 lane where the Soul Ring doesn't help anyway.
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SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
August 23 2013 16:55 GMT
#73552
On August 24 2013 01:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 01:27 SKYFISH_ wrote:
its ~2k gold if everyone pools their sentries to a single person
i think there was a video of it with a pudge buying blink right off the bat

pretty useless if you ask me

well, for one thing pudge literally cannot buy a blink dagger.
For another, its 603 + (4x600/2=1200) = 1803 gold so... unless randoms it isn't even enough for stuff like midas.

yeah yeah, everybody had to random, forgot about that

and i dont know, in the video it was a pudge with blink
mb a bug or exploit, no idea
In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 23 2013 16:57 GMT
#73553
On August 24 2013 01:39 Nocticate wrote:
hell, even doing something like giving a soul ring to Brood would basically win you the game. level 1 bottle plus wraith band for Shadow Fiend? level 1 oblivion staff for qop or storm? shit's scary.

You don't need to use the bug to pool a Bottle because someone else can just buy the Bottle straight up and anyone can use someone else's Bottle.

Virtually all of these are less effective than stacking level 1 Rosh XP onto a single hero while also requiring a far greater investment from your teammates.

A QoP or Storm who is level 6 in 2 minutes is scarier than one that has a 0 minute Oblivion Staff at the cost of all his teammates.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 23 2013 16:59 GMT
#73554
Pooled medallion for lvl1 rosh with a non-traditional rosh lineup actually sounds kinda cool lol (if abysmal obviously).
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 23 2013 16:59 GMT
#73555
All I need to know is: Are the new items out this week? Can I buy the weenier dog when I get home?
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 17:02:40
August 23 2013 17:02 GMT
#73556
On August 24 2013 01:59 Plansix wrote:
All I need to know is: Are the new items out this week? Can I buy the weenier dog when I get home?


Valve never official states when patches will go live. Typically it's 24 hours after they hit the live realm, but patching on a Friday doesn't seem like a good idea. Valve normally does test realm Wednesday and then go live on Thursday night.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 23 2013 17:04 GMT
#73557
On August 24 2013 01:53 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 01:46 Unleashing wrote:
On August 24 2013 01:39 Nocticate wrote:
hell, even doing something like giving a soul ring to Brood would basically win you the game.

How the fuck is a level 1 soul ring brood going to win the game.

Level 1 Soul Ring is pointless for Brood because in virtually all circumstances she won't even get Spawn Spiderlings until level 2, and it won't be good to spam until like level 3 because the first rank isn't that good--it's damage at rank 1 is equal to its damage gain per rank.

If you really feel the need, you can pool her regen. Beyond that, there's not much excuse for Brood not having her Soul Ring by level 3 unless it's a 1v3 lane where the Soul Ring doesn't help anyway.


Would much rather buy a PMS then get pooled regen. Insanely hard to kill brood like that.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 23 2013 17:07 GMT
#73558
On August 24 2013 01:57 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 01:39 Nocticate wrote:
hell, even doing something like giving a soul ring to Brood would basically win you the game. level 1 bottle plus wraith band for Shadow Fiend? level 1 oblivion staff for qop or storm? shit's scary.

You don't need to use the bug to pool a Bottle because someone else can just buy the Bottle straight up and anyone can use someone else's Bottle.

Virtually all of these are less effective than stacking level 1 Rosh XP onto a single hero while also requiring a far greater investment from your teammates.

A QoP or Storm who is level 6 in 2 minutes is scarier than one that has a 0 minute Oblivion Staff at the cost of all his teammates.

I've always wanted to see a level 6 zues from Rosh XP when the game starts.

"oh, someone is 1/2 hp?" "ZAP"
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 23 2013 17:09 GMT
#73559
On August 24 2013 02:07 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 01:57 TheYango wrote:
On August 24 2013 01:39 Nocticate wrote:
hell, even doing something like giving a soul ring to Brood would basically win you the game. level 1 bottle plus wraith band for Shadow Fiend? level 1 oblivion staff for qop or storm? shit's scary.

You don't need to use the bug to pool a Bottle because someone else can just buy the Bottle straight up and anyone can use someone else's Bottle.

Virtually all of these are less effective than stacking level 1 Rosh XP onto a single hero while also requiring a far greater investment from your teammates.

A QoP or Storm who is level 6 in 2 minutes is scarier than one that has a 0 minute Oblivion Staff at the cost of all his teammates.

I've always wanted to see a level 6 zues from Rosh XP when the game starts.

"oh, someone is 1/2 hp?" "ZAP"


In a tournament we did that once with tinker. The mid laner raged so hard lol. Insta kill every time he comes into lane.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 23 2013 17:10 GMT
#73560
If only zoos wasn't virtually the worst lvl 1 rosh hero in the game lol. Like, could he even out-dps rosh's regen to get the level 5 @ 0 mins XP if all his buddies left with rosh @ 1% or w/e?
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