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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 08 2013 18:28 GMT
#70881
radiant can still pull mid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 08 2013 18:30 GMT
#70882
On August 09 2013 03:28 Erasme wrote:
radiant can still pull mid

And dire can still pull the small camp. Both are far more impractical now.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 08 2013 18:31 GMT
#70883
one could argue that the mid pull is far more important than the top pull.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 08 2013 18:31 GMT
#70884
On August 09 2013 03:31 Erasme wrote:
one could argue that the mid pull is far more important than the top pull.

That's what I said.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 08 2013 18:47 GMT
#70885
On August 09 2013 03:28 SKC wrote:
I think the aggro change harmed Radiant more than Dire tbh. You can't pull the small camp to the top lane as dire, but that wasn't really that common. On the other hand Radiant can't pull mid anymore, and that was a really big deal.

It's funny how things change, a year ago everyone was saying how Dire was clearly better, and that was almost exclusively because of Rosh. Lycan was unbeatable as Dire but you could handle him if he was Radiant. Very little had changed in the map and now Radiant has the advantage. For me, it's more about how the game is played than the map itself. Some patches Dire is ahead, some patches Radiant is ahead but it's close enough not to be a big deal.

Na'Vi always picks radiant while alliance always picks dire. I think it's relatively balanced. I can't find radian and dire winrates in the tournament though, and 1st pick/2nd pick winrateS.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 08 2013 18:54 GMT
#70886
On August 09 2013 03:47 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 03:28 SKC wrote:
I think the aggro change harmed Radiant more than Dire tbh. You can't pull the small camp to the top lane as dire, but that wasn't really that common. On the other hand Radiant can't pull mid anymore, and that was a really big deal.

It's funny how things change, a year ago everyone was saying how Dire was clearly better, and that was almost exclusively because of Rosh. Lycan was unbeatable as Dire but you could handle him if he was Radiant. Very little had changed in the map and now Radiant has the advantage. For me, it's more about how the game is played than the map itself. Some patches Dire is ahead, some patches Radiant is ahead but it's close enough not to be a big deal.

Na'Vi always picks radiant while alliance always picks dire. I think it's relatively balanced. I can't find radian and dire winrates in the tournament though, and 1st pick/2nd pick winrateS.

The isse with winrates for TI3 is that they are contaminated by First Pick and Second Pick.
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
August 08 2013 18:55 GMT
#70887
Pretty sure farming the entire dire jungle is more efficient than the radiant jungle. That +rosh are reasons why Alliance prefer Dire. Optimal farming efficiency is one of their strengths. It's probably easier to gank on radiant so maybe that's why Na'Vi prefer it.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 08 2013 18:57 GMT
#70888
I miss my dire semi-jungle Luna. That aggro tweak killed my mood to do that, so hard to pull that off now.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
sc_a.M
Profile Joined April 2013
420 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 19:02:32
August 08 2013 19:02 GMT
#70889
I love dire better because it's much more likely that you get a good creep for doom mid.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 08 2013 19:02 GMT
#70890
On August 09 2013 03:31 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 03:31 Erasme wrote:
one could argue that the mid pull is far more important than the top pull.

That's what I said.

No you said that you couldnt pull those camps anymore, which is wrong
zz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 08 2013 19:06 GMT
#70891
On August 09 2013 04:02 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 03:31 SKC wrote:
On August 09 2013 03:31 Erasme wrote:
one could argue that the mid pull is far more important than the top pull.

That's what I said.

No you said that you couldnt pull those camps anymore, which is wrong
zz

I wasn't the only one, of the first one, to say it wasn't possible to pull one of the small camps. It's technically possible but that's a shitty dodge because it's obvious it's far more impractical do it now.

I also said that the mid pull is a bigger deal than the dire pull, so saying I didn't do that is a blatant lie.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 08 2013 19:10 GMT
#70892
On August 09 2013 03:03 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 02:55 Numy wrote:
You forgot to mention Radiant mid is a lot better on most heroes since you can just stack the small camp and farm that inbetween pushing waves. It's pretty scary how good Radiant side is.

I called midlane "minor" because Dire has a bit easier time controlling runes, access to secret shop (via cutting the tree), small stuff like that. But you're right, that small camp might tilt even that in Radiants favor.


The thing about controlling runes is that it's often more about your support players than the mid lane. Radiant have a slightly easier time when it comes to moving to rune spot from the jungle. In a straight 1v1 I agree Dire is slightly easier but those times only really happen with aggressive tris and even then it's a bit iffy
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
August 08 2013 19:13 GMT
#70893
Oh god i just realised. Seeing how popular is DK i think IFrog may want to nerf him. Pls no, he's just an ok dude/dragon
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 19:19:39
August 08 2013 19:19 GMT
#70894
On August 09 2013 04:13 Kaniol wrote:
Oh god i just realised. Seeing how popular is DK i think IFrog may want to nerf him. Pls no, he's just an ok dude/dragon

mmm I wouldn't put him even in the top 10 of the things that should get a nerf.
He's popular because teams love to run tri core lineups right now,so yea.He's a solid hero but in no way op tbh.
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 19:21:04
August 08 2013 19:20 GMT
#70895
On August 09 2013 04:19 Shadowpostin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 04:13 Kaniol wrote:
Oh god i just realised. Seeing how popular is DK i think IFrog may want to nerf him. Pls no, he's just an ok dude/dragon

mmm I wouldn't put him even in the top 10 of the things that should get a nerf.
He's popular because teams love to run tri core lineups right now,so yea.He's a solid hero but in no way op tbh.

Yes. Tell this to Honda pls, need to convince them to leave him alone
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
August 08 2013 19:25 GMT
#70896
Anyone in TI3 that can get Scythe Of Vyse item for me? Or some Luckless boxes? Tell me the prize (in keys), I'll gladly trade !
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Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 19:26:07
August 08 2013 19:25 GMT
#70897
On August 09 2013 04:20 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 04:19 Shadowpostin wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:13 Kaniol wrote:
Oh god i just realised. Seeing how popular is DK i think IFrog may want to nerf him. Pls no, he's just an ok dude/dragon

mmm I wouldn't put him even in the top 10 of the things that should get a nerf.
He's popular because teams love to run tri core lineups right now,so yea.He's a solid hero but in no way op tbh.

Yes. Tell this to Honda pls, need to convince them to leave him alone

pretty sure they are happy with his showing,its not like he gets picked and banned every single game unlike some other heros cough cough*

anyway,does someone know where bruno gets his suits and is it the same tailor that dresses craig sager?
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 08 2013 20:00 GMT
#70898
I just wish Prophet was nerfed. He's OP as fuck and makes for noninteactive grindy splitpushing games. Hate that guyso much. I would love it if they buffed his early agression somehow, because ganking Prophet is awesome. It's the midas shadowblade one that's killing me everytime I watch it.
super gg
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 08 2013 20:09 GMT
#70899
On August 09 2013 05:00 cecek wrote:
I just wish Prophet was nerfed. He's OP as fuck and makes for noninteactive grindy splitpushing games. Hate that guyso much. I would love it if they buffed his early agression somehow, because ganking Prophet is awesome. It's the midas shadowblade one that's killing me everytime I watch it.

Be careful what you wish for. Split pushing is how teams come back and prevent a game from snowballing out of control. Strong split push makes for more intresting games, not less.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 08 2013 20:18 GMT
#70900
On August 09 2013 04:25 Shadowpostin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 04:20 Kaniol wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:19 Shadowpostin wrote:
On August 09 2013 04:13 Kaniol wrote:
Oh god i just realised. Seeing how popular is DK i think IFrog may want to nerf him. Pls no, he's just an ok dude/dragon

mmm I wouldn't put him even in the top 10 of the things that should get a nerf.
He's popular because teams love to run tri core lineups right now,so yea.He's a solid hero but in no way op tbh.

Yes. Tell this to Honda pls, need to convince them to leave him alone

pretty sure they are happy with his showing,its not like he gets picked and banned every single game unlike some other heros cough cough*

anyway,does someone know where bruno gets his suits and is it the same tailor that dresses craig sager?

He gets his suits from Leeroy men's wear
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
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