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GentleDrill
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom672 Posts
August 08 2013 16:56 GMT
#70861
On August 08 2013 23:34 icystorage wrote:
Dendi cs
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Chuan cs
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I was waiting for somebody to make a gif of this. It'll never top the Idra/Artosis high-five fail though.
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
August 08 2013 17:03 GMT
#70862
On August 09 2013 01:44 Kipsate wrote:
The new Dusa is actually quite decent in the midgame, the new ultimate really can do some great work if you go Drums Treads/Tranq into Crystalis/Manta. Its not as strong as Gyro and all those other bullshit press ultimate heroes but it does a fine job in pubs.

Dusa's ult is a big disengage button. Not instant like Song of the Balanced, but if the other team chooses to fight they will die a horrible death unless they have a massive advantage.
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
August 08 2013 17:04 GMT
#70863
On August 09 2013 02:03 akatama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 01:44 Kipsate wrote:
The new Dusa is actually quite decent in the midgame, the new ultimate really can do some great work if you go Drums Treads/Tranq into Crystalis/Manta. Its not as strong as Gyro and all those other bullshit press ultimate heroes but it does a fine job in pubs.

Dusa's ult is a big disengage button. Not instant like Song of the Balanced, but if the other team chooses to fight they will die a horrible death unless they have a massive advantage.


Its actually quite potent offensively with the new buffs. Pre patch it was certainly purely defensive, but now its uses are more varied.
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Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
August 08 2013 17:07 GMT
#70864
Haven't had time to play but I saw the Navi games yesterday. Are there people doing puck + lifestealer on matchmaking now? Gotta admit, I wanna do it myself.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
August 08 2013 17:09 GMT
#70865
Ive seen too many Weavers going Linkens first and getting it at 30min already.
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DkS.Purple
Profile Joined August 2013
United Kingdom2 Posts
August 08 2013 17:09 GMT
#70866
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Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
August 08 2013 17:10 GMT
#70867
thats been the standard for years though, i don't think anything has changed.
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Mandini
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1717 Posts
August 08 2013 17:11 GMT
#70868
On August 09 2013 02:07 Gentso wrote:
Haven't had time to play but I saw the Navi games yesterday. Are there people doing puck + lifestealer on matchmaking now? Gotta admit, I wanna do it myself.

I dunno, but fnatic's ls/puck initiation on tongfu outside of the rosh pit in game 2 was pretty beautiful
DV G
Profile Joined September 2012
Argentina2339 Posts
August 08 2013 17:29 GMT
#70869
On August 09 2013 02:09 DkS.Purple wrote:
Hello! I am the leader of DkS and we need one more member. If you would like to join then please fill in the app below.

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There is a thread for this kind of stuff, check the forums . GL.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 08 2013 17:29 GMT
#70870
What do you guys think about the whole ability of radiant being able to ancient farm on their offlaner vs dire's larger inability to do this (much easier to stop on the direside).

Any potential imbalances here?
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DV G
Profile Joined September 2012
Argentina2339 Posts
August 08 2013 17:30 GMT
#70871
I think it should balance itself out with the roshan pit, and that the runespots are different for each mid. Also we should take care of the jungles and how is Dire or Rad better. I think its not a HUGE deal.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 08 2013 17:31 GMT
#70872
On August 09 2013 02:29 Comeh wrote:
What do you guys think about the whole ability of radiant being able to ancient farm on their offlaner vs dire's larger inability to do this (much easier to stop on the direside).

Any potential imbalances here?

I think it is offset by the Roash pit and how easy it is for Dire to engage there. Plus their Secret Shop is easier to access as well through tree choppnig. It balances out.
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Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 17:37:25
August 08 2013 17:36 GMT
#70873
Day 2 here we go.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 08 2013 17:45 GMT
#70874
On August 09 2013 02:29 Comeh wrote:
What do you guys think about the whole ability of radiant being able to ancient farm on their offlaner vs dire's larger inability to do this (much easier to stop on the direside).

Any potential imbalances here?

Imo Radiant beats the crap out of Dire at the moment. Technically ever since the last aggro change that made Dire incapable of pulling the small camp but it's only slowly emerging more and more.

Radiant has:
-Safelane that can support farm for two supports (this is the biggest one)
-Ancient jungling
-Hardcamp pull in the offlane

Dire has:
-Rosh pit "advantage" (can be negated to a certain degree with smokes)
-Easier ancient stacking with certain heroes
-Easier time dewarding their medium pull

The other differences (e.g. midlane) are pretty minor.


Basically if there's a situation where both sides defensive trilane, Radiant has a pretty big advantage. If Radiant offensive trilanes Dire they (Radiant) have a bigger advantage than if Dire trilanes Radiant (being able to pull the hardcamp). If both Radiant and Dire offensive trilane Radiant again has the upper hand in the 3n1 (hardcamp pull).

Pretty much the only trilaning scenario where Dire comes out alright is a Dire offensive vs Radiant defensive lane.


What this means for actual gameplay is that Dire WANTS to be offensive trilaned (because 3n3 there beats having both teams safe trilaning) and/or Dire wants to play junglers to overcome their pretty damn aweful pull. Their other option for Dire is to opt for the offensive trilane themselves. Pretty much anything else seems rather suboptimal because you're just not getting the same out of it compared to Radiant.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 08 2013 17:55 GMT
#70875
You forgot to mention Radiant mid is a lot better on most heroes since you can just stack the small camp and farm that inbetween pushing waves. It's pretty scary how good Radiant side is.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 08 2013 17:55 GMT
#70876
Evo, you forgot that the Dire jungle layout is somewhat better for a jungler because there's generally less time wasted moving between camps (the Easy+Medium+Hard camp rotation is in a circular layout, whereas rotating any 3 camps not including the pull camp in the Radiant jungle requires you waste a lot more back and forth walking time).
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 08 2013 18:03 GMT
#70877
On August 09 2013 02:55 Numy wrote:
You forgot to mention Radiant mid is a lot better on most heroes since you can just stack the small camp and farm that inbetween pushing waves. It's pretty scary how good Radiant side is.

I called midlane "minor" because Dire has a bit easier time controlling runes, access to secret shop (via cutting the tree), small stuff like that. But you're right, that small camp might tilt even that in Radiants favor.


On August 09 2013 02:55 TheYango wrote:
Evo, you forgot that the Dire jungle layout is somewhat better for a jungler because there's generally less time wasted moving between camps (the Easy+Medium+Hard camp rotation is in a circular layout, whereas rotating any 3 camps not including the pull camp in the Radiant jungle requires you waste a lot more back and forth walking time).

Yeah, in practice this makes it even more important for Dire to pick up junglers if they want to stay on their side of the map. We should try out how a Dire jungler compares to a) Radiant jungler+Radiant pull and b) two radiant supports chainpulling all the way to hardcamp.

The latter could be super close. It doesn't really help for Dire how weird their chainpull is. T_T
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 08 2013 18:12 GMT
#70878
On August 09 2013 02:55 TheYango wrote:
Evo, you forgot that the Dire jungle layout is somewhat better for a jungler because there's generally less time wasted moving between camps (the Easy+Medium+Hard camp rotation is in a circular layout, whereas rotating any 3 camps not including the pull camp in the Radiant jungle requires you waste a lot more back and forth walking time).

I also would say that the easy access to the easy camp for radiant mid a relatively big deal for a few heroes.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
August 08 2013 18:18 GMT
#70879
well, you can still pull the dire easy camp if it's kobolds so that's a plus
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 18:28:50
August 08 2013 18:28 GMT
#70880
I think the aggro change harmed Radiant more than Dire tbh. You can't pull the small camp to the top lane as dire, but that wasn't really that common. On the other hand Radiant can't pull mid anymore, and that was a really big deal.

It's funny how things change, a year ago everyone was saying how Dire was clearly better, and that was almost exclusively because of Rosh. Lycan was unbeatable as Dire but you could handle him if he was Radiant. Very little had changed in the map and now Radiant has the advantage. For me, it's more about how the game is played than the map itself. Some patches Dire is ahead, some patches Radiant is ahead but it's close enough not to be a big deal.
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