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Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
August 07 2013 09:31 GMT
#70701
On August 07 2013 17:44 SkelA wrote:
Another 3 chests opened, another spec blade, unicorn kotl and wd mask -_- , enough chests for me lol.

if you want to get value from opening massive amounts of chests you are better off spending your keys on the summer stash chests.Most of the lava effect couriers are like double the value of ti3 ones.
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
August 07 2013 09:35 GMT
#70702
On August 07 2013 18:31 Shadowpostin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 17:44 SkelA wrote:
Another 3 chests opened, another spec blade, unicorn kotl and wd mask -_- , enough chests for me lol.

if you want to get value from opening massive amounts of chests you are better off spending your keys on the summer stash chests.Most of the lava effect couriers are like double the value of ti3 ones.

No. You're wrong. Of course the Lava effect couriers had super incredibly high prices in the very first few days, Morok ~30 keys and Roshan/Demon/Bamboo/Snowl with 80-120 keys.

Now prices dropped as TI3 couriers appeared and they're worth about 25-60 keys.
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dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
August 07 2013 10:09 GMT
#70703
I've had an okay-ish run with chests, back in the days when a dota invite (no red text!) was worth 7 keys

First chest I opened I got a finblade, then a doom sword and a black pool watcher. The next set I used for the treasure of rarities. Got a bessy,chens barding.........and then 2 axe rares.

Not a single unusual or even normal courier

Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
August 07 2013 10:34 GMT
#70704
When you go RoB first on NP you can jungle faster.

Had a few tests and mountain prophet jungling is a bit faster than non RoB jungling. And mountain prophet is pretty retarded, if the big camp spawns trolls you're dead.
Without RoB first or at least early you will jungle slower because you have to go back to base or lose your treants too fast.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 07 2013 11:27 GMT
#70705
Did you micro your treants at all?
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
August 07 2013 11:36 GMT
#70706
Yes, and the only option you have at some point is to tank with your hero at some point. If you do that you have to heal at some point.
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RLTY
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States965 Posts
August 07 2013 12:03 GMT
#70707
On August 07 2013 17:56 cecek wrote:
I opened one TI3 chest and got that stupid Sven sword. If it wasn't as ugly as it is, at least.

I thought it was ugly too and then I God Strength'd with it in a game HOLY SHIT!
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
August 07 2013 12:06 GMT
#70708
Anyone tried the N-gage inhouse league? Website is currently down atm but heard some people talking about it, just wondering if its any good.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 07 2013 12:08 GMT
#70709
On August 07 2013 20:36 Mataza wrote:
Yes, and the only option you have at some point is to tank with your hero at some point. If you do that you have to heal at some point.


Interesting. Thought that only happens with Ursa camps.
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
August 07 2013 12:16 GMT
#70710
On August 07 2013 21:06 Benjef wrote:
Anyone tried the N-gage inhouse league? Website is currently down atm but heard some people talking about it, just wondering if its any good.

I heard its pretty shit much like every other league.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
August 07 2013 12:25 GMT
#70711


i dont even..
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BoesFX
Profile Joined April 2013
1466 Posts
August 07 2013 12:38 GMT
#70712
On August 07 2013 21:25 icystorage wrote:
http://youtu.be/g0_Z7HSXUlc

i dont even..


ice3 is confirmed to be the best solo mid in the world.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
August 07 2013 12:45 GMT
#70713
On August 07 2013 21:25 icystorage wrote:
http://youtu.be/g0_Z7HSXUlc

i dont even..

Hahahaha, what the fuck did I just watch :D
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Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 13:00:48
August 07 2013 12:53 GMT
#70714
On August 07 2013 21:25 icystorage wrote:
http://youtu.be/g0_Z7HSXUlc

i dont even..

Manliest 1v1, which isn't including bears or Axe.

And for some actual DotA discussion: So, can anyone tell, why solomid Alchs don't abuse ancient stacking, when playing radiant? You can simply use acid spray up the cliff at the respective stack times, while still getting the lane creeps gold / exp. I highly doubt it's just because the camp can be blocked, because that would mean, the opponents have just one ward at the very start, which would actually grant them decent vision, leaving them wide open for any incoming ganks until the wards in shop have been refreshed.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 07 2013 13:27 GMT
#70715
On August 07 2013 21:53 Talron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 21:25 icystorage wrote:
http://youtu.be/g0_Z7HSXUlc

i dont even..

Manliest 1v1, which isn't including bears or Axe.

And for some actual DotA discussion: So, can anyone tell, why solomid Alchs don't abuse ancient stacking, when playing radiant? You can simply use acid spray up the cliff at the respective stack times, while still getting the lane creeps gold / exp. I highly doubt it's just because the camp can be blocked, because that would mean, the opponents have just one ward at the very start, which would actually grant them decent vision, leaving them wide open for any incoming ganks until the wards in shop have been refreshed.

Basically, because you need to use the acid spray in mid or you pretty much won't get anything done with alchemist mid.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 07 2013 13:42 GMT
#70716
Questions: Culling Blade on Sven? Why or not?
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Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
August 07 2013 13:42 GMT
#70717
On August 07 2013 22:27 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 21:53 Talron wrote:
On August 07 2013 21:25 icystorage wrote:
http://youtu.be/g0_Z7HSXUlc

i dont even..

Manliest 1v1, which isn't including bears or Axe.

And for some actual DotA discussion: So, can anyone tell, why solomid Alchs don't abuse ancient stacking, when playing radiant? You can simply use acid spray up the cliff at the respective stack times, while still getting the lane creeps gold / exp. I highly doubt it's just because the camp can be blocked, because that would mean, the opponents have just one ward at the very start, which would actually grant them decent vision, leaving them wide open for any incoming ganks until the wards in shop have been refreshed.

Basically, because you need to use the acid spray in mid or you pretty much won't get anything done with alchemist mid.

I don't see this as a problem tbh.

Acid spray has a 22 second CD. Using it twice per minute with a bottle for mana sustain isn't that much of a deal. Similar to pushing out the lane to secure an advantage before grabbing the rune, you use one Acid spray to push out the lane, the second will be used to not only stack the ancient camp, but also slowly kill it, which will result in a greater goldadvantage overall [one creepwave early consists of 4 creeps, which equal roughly 200 gold, assuming you get all of them, while one ancient camp is averaging 250+, while also delivering more exp in addition to the lane exp, which you won't be missing this way] The times where you're not having acid spray in the face of your enemy, while you're trying to cs is where your bottle comes into play and keeps you in lane. Please also note, that jsut because you're not having acid spray in lane for a single creepwave, doesn't automaticly mean you're getting 0cs in that wave. Especially with other popular melee mids like Mag, DK and Beastmaster I think Alch is safe for contesting cs. It's a different story against mids like Puck or QoP, but he doesn't fare well against those to begin with.
So I'd say that at least against other melee heroes mid this should be highly viable.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 07 2013 14:05 GMT
#70718
On August 07 2013 22:42 Talron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 22:27 Comeh wrote:
On August 07 2013 21:53 Talron wrote:
On August 07 2013 21:25 icystorage wrote:
http://youtu.be/g0_Z7HSXUlc

i dont even..

Manliest 1v1, which isn't including bears or Axe.

And for some actual DotA discussion: So, can anyone tell, why solomid Alchs don't abuse ancient stacking, when playing radiant? You can simply use acid spray up the cliff at the respective stack times, while still getting the lane creeps gold / exp. I highly doubt it's just because the camp can be blocked, because that would mean, the opponents have just one ward at the very start, which would actually grant them decent vision, leaving them wide open for any incoming ganks until the wards in shop have been refreshed.

Basically, because you need to use the acid spray in mid or you pretty much won't get anything done with alchemist mid.

I don't see this as a problem tbh.

Acid spray has a 22 second CD. Using it twice per minute with a bottle for mana sustain isn't that much of a deal. Similar to pushing out the lane to secure an advantage before grabbing the rune, you use one Acid spray to push out the lane, the second will be used to not only stack the ancient camp, but also slowly kill it, which will result in a greater goldadvantage overall [one creepwave early consists of 4 creeps, which equal roughly 200 gold, assuming you get all of them, while one ancient camp is averaging 250+, while also delivering more exp in addition to the lane exp, which you won't be missing this way] The times where you're not having acid spray in the face of your enemy, while you're trying to cs is where your bottle comes into play and keeps you in lane. Please also note, that jsut because you're not having acid spray in lane for a single creepwave, doesn't automaticly mean you're getting 0cs in that wave. Especially with other popular melee mids like Mag, DK and Beastmaster I think Alch is safe for contesting cs. It's a different story against mids like Puck or QoP, but he doesn't fare well against those to begin with.
So I'd say that at least against other melee heroes mid this should be highly viable.

A couple of assumptions - you are assuming the other melee hero won't be pushing the lane as hard (ie 2 dk breaths, a few tidebringers, etc etc), thus, the lane actually won't be pushed with only 1 acid spray. Also, using that acid spray to stack is also ruining the timing for using that acid spray to push the lane (because, well, stacks happen at 1:00, and runes happen at 2:00)

Alchemist isn't the best mid or anything, and he CAN do it, but it hurts his midlane quite a bit.
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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
August 07 2013 14:20 GMT
#70719
I love playing spirit breaker, but i think playing such an ez mode heroes made me worse at dota
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 07 2013 14:22 GMT
#70720
On August 07 2013 23:05 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 22:42 Talron wrote:
On August 07 2013 22:27 Comeh wrote:
On August 07 2013 21:53 Talron wrote:
On August 07 2013 21:25 icystorage wrote:
http://youtu.be/g0_Z7HSXUlc

i dont even..

Manliest 1v1, which isn't including bears or Axe.

And for some actual DotA discussion: So, can anyone tell, why solomid Alchs don't abuse ancient stacking, when playing radiant? You can simply use acid spray up the cliff at the respective stack times, while still getting the lane creeps gold / exp. I highly doubt it's just because the camp can be blocked, because that would mean, the opponents have just one ward at the very start, which would actually grant them decent vision, leaving them wide open for any incoming ganks until the wards in shop have been refreshed.

Basically, because you need to use the acid spray in mid or you pretty much won't get anything done with alchemist mid.

I don't see this as a problem tbh.

Acid spray has a 22 second CD. Using it twice per minute with a bottle for mana sustain isn't that much of a deal. Similar to pushing out the lane to secure an advantage before grabbing the rune, you use one Acid spray to push out the lane, the second will be used to not only stack the ancient camp, but also slowly kill it, which will result in a greater goldadvantage overall [one creepwave early consists of 4 creeps, which equal roughly 200 gold, assuming you get all of them, while one ancient camp is averaging 250+, while also delivering more exp in addition to the lane exp, which you won't be missing this way] The times where you're not having acid spray in the face of your enemy, while you're trying to cs is where your bottle comes into play and keeps you in lane. Please also note, that jsut because you're not having acid spray in lane for a single creepwave, doesn't automaticly mean you're getting 0cs in that wave. Especially with other popular melee mids like Mag, DK and Beastmaster I think Alch is safe for contesting cs. It's a different story against mids like Puck or QoP, but he doesn't fare well against those to begin with.
So I'd say that at least against other melee heroes mid this should be highly viable.

A couple of assumptions - you are assuming the other melee hero won't be pushing the lane as hard (ie 2 dk breaths, a few tidebringers, etc etc), thus, the lane actually won't be pushed with only 1 acid spray. Also, using that acid spray to stack is also ruining the timing for using that acid spray to push the lane (because, well, stacks happen at 1:00, and runes happen at 2:00)

Alchemist isn't the best mid or anything, and he CAN do it, but it hurts his midlane quite a bit.

Sounds like it's something he could do against weak mids, which means that he'll pretty much never be doing it. Could be fun in pubs, though! Maybe even do a level 1 Ancients build with him, bottle first and bottlecrow. Get dem mad stax
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