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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 05 2013 21:29 GMT
#70441
On August 06 2013 02:05 TheYango wrote:
The winrate part doesn't surprise me. The rapidly surging popularity did to some extent.


He was like the first pub hero to be nerfed namely because of his domination in pubs. Now that he's pub friendly again, it should pop back up.
Get it by your hands...
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
August 05 2013 21:32 GMT
#70442
Why do I see more balance complaints in SC2 than in DotA 2? I'm not saying that they don't exist here, but they plague almost every sc2 thread consistently.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 21:36:26
August 05 2013 21:34 GMT
#70443
Because Dota 2 is more similar to a mirror match than SC2.

If something is 'imbalanced' it is still an option given to both teams to either use or ban and thus it doesn't really affect the outcome of the game. No one ever wins in Dota because of imbalance.

When it comes to balance in Dota it's more about making the game more interesting and varied, and not about making it more fair. Ultimately the only things which affect fairness is first/second pick and dire/radiant. The heroes have nothing to do with it.
Once you Goblak...
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
August 05 2013 21:36 GMT
#70444
On August 06 2013 06:32 jrkirby wrote:
Why do I see more balance complaints in SC2 than in DotA 2? I'm not saying that they don't exist here, but they plague almost every sc2 thread consistently.

Because you can ban heros that are considered "imbalanced". Banning and picking is part of the game.
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
August 05 2013 21:45 GMT
#70445
Pretty sure it's because Dota 2 is more balanced than SC2. Icefrog > Blizzard balance team.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 05 2013 21:49 GMT
#70446
I wonder if the compendium will increase or decrease Dota 2 cosmetic items. On one hand, the compendium was definitely the first ever purchase for many people, so so it might get people "hooked" on buying more things. On the other hand, you get so much stuff for the $10, that other things you can buy don't compare to it at all, so that might discourage people from buying more.
super gg
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 21:56:50
August 05 2013 21:56 GMT
#70447
I think anything that makes people who otherwise didn't put money into Dota buy something, will increase the likelyhood of them doing so in the future. I don't think it will affect the cosmetics/key sales at all, but probably increase ticket sales.
Once you Goblak...
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 22:21:22
August 05 2013 22:20 GMT
#70448
On August 06 2013 06:36 SilverStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 06:32 jrkirby wrote:
Why do I see more balance complaints in SC2 than in DotA 2? I'm not saying that they don't exist here, but they plague almost every sc2 thread consistently.

Because you can ban heros that are considered "imbalanced". Banning and picking is part of the game.

I think you can compare dota 2 balance to mirror matchups in sc2/bw. There are some imba stuff but everyone can use it (mutalisk in bw's zvz = TI2 naga siren) and also certain spawn positions might be better in some cases (closer natural on scrap station = dire rosh advantage).

Edit: teapoted too fast
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
August 05 2013 22:22 GMT
#70449
On August 06 2013 06:45 Kishin2 wrote:
Pretty sure it's because Dota 2 is more balanced than SC2. Icefrog > Blizzard balance team.

icefrog + pros > blizzard + winrates :D
"Your Razor sucks!" -Kuroky's Dad
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 05 2013 22:23 GMT
#70450
the major reason that i quit sc2 is because of the balance issue. Playing sc2 zerg was slowly killing my heart, while dota1/2 was never perfectly balanced but it is balanced to the point that i am happy with the game (just like scbw/war3 (screw undead ok :p )).
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 22:26:44
August 05 2013 22:26 GMT
#70451
Dota has far more imbalances than SC2 ever had, the diference is it just doesn't matter. We don't have a Bloodseeker player bitching at IceFrog because his hero sucks. You cann't really say that Dota is more balanced, it doesn't affect the game nearly as much.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
August 05 2013 22:33 GMT
#70452
Everything in Dota is imbalanced as fuck

thus its is balanced.
WriterXiao8~~
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
August 05 2013 22:36 GMT
#70453
On August 06 2013 06:56 teapoted wrote:
I think anything that makes people who otherwise didn't put money into Dota buy something, will increase the likelyhood of them doing so in the future. I don't think it will affect the cosmetics/key sales at all, but probably increase ticket sales.

I think steam community market shows that there already is a crazy demand for some stuff. I would love a drodo courier but 300? Come on.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
August 05 2013 22:37 GMT
#70454
Balanced is when the interactions are so diverse that it takes so long to figure out what is too strong that by the time you are sure it has already been changed by IceFrog.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 05 2013 22:39 GMT
#70455
On August 06 2013 07:37 Mataza wrote:
Balanced is when the interactions are so diverse that it takes so long to figure out what is too strong that by the time you are sure it has already been changed by IceFrog.

i'm sure that alchemist is op
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
August 05 2013 22:48 GMT
#70456
On August 06 2013 07:39 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 07:37 Mataza wrote:
Balanced is when the interactions are so diverse that it takes so long to figure out what is too strong that by the time you are sure it has already been changed by IceFrog.

i'm sure that alchemist is op

nerf incoming.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
August 05 2013 22:51 GMT
#70457
On August 06 2013 07:33 Kipsate wrote:
Everything in Dota is imbalanced as fuck

thus its is balanced.

well in LoL everytjhing is imba aswell but its not balanced at all, so this rule doesnt apply everywhere
"Your Razor sucks!" -Kuroky's Dad
tpmraven
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States833 Posts
August 05 2013 23:05 GMT
#70458
i think another reason is, unlike sc2, dota gets major GAME changing patches on a fairly regular basis ( more than once a year) so everyone assumes imbalance wont be around for long. sc2 has MINOR AS FUCK patches that take months to implement.

For instance, Huskar got a MAJOR overhaul, and is imba, but noone really cares cause he isnt in the competitive hero pool, and we all know a change is coming sometime soon.
(⌐■_■) Like a boss
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
August 05 2013 23:06 GMT
#70459
Is there a compendium fantasy leaderboard?
if not,whats the point than?
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
tpmraven
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 23:11:21
August 05 2013 23:10 GMT
#70460
On August 06 2013 08:06 Shadowpostin wrote:
Is there a compendium fantasy leaderboard?
if not,whats the point than?


i think i heard you where awarded an item based on how well your team does.
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