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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 06 2012 13:02 GMT
#6881
On April 06 2012 21:57 Firebolt145 wrote:
Another reason I go treads is because I don't go any other HP items so need the str from treads.

I... What?
Spectre is meant to build tanky with very few damage items, how can treads be the only item that gives you HP?
Where's your vanguard, or just vit booster for that matter?
What about heart?
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
April 06 2012 13:21 GMT
#6882
is it just me or does matchmaking not work? :S
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
April 06 2012 13:23 GMT
#6883
i think its weekly sever clean up... also sylla -cm -_-..
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
April 06 2012 13:40 GMT
#6884
dendi is amazing. randomned kunkka and is right now building his 4th battlefury
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
April 06 2012 13:44 GMT
#6885
On April 06 2012 22:40 smr wrote:
dendi is amazing. randomned kunkka and is right now building his 4th battlefury

That game was so sad...felt sorry for him T_T
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
April 06 2012 14:13 GMT
#6886
just played cm going 4/4 on first two skills first lol

why don't players max out these 2 first before aura? is the 0.5 regen really that huge over the difference in skill dmg?
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ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
April 06 2012 14:19 GMT
#6887
On April 06 2012 23:13 konadora wrote:
just played cm going 4/4 on first two skills first lol

why don't players max out these 2 first before aura? is the 0.5 regen really that huge over the difference in skill dmg?

Depends on your lineup - with a lot of spammers, who have stuns and nukes themselves the aura helps tremendously. If the amount of spellcasters is low, leaving aura out is better, so CM becomes a monster in early ganks.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 06 2012 14:19 GMT
#6888
If your team is mana dependant its pretty good, remember that its a global aura, so it will help at all times(except when you are dead), also, while Frostbite is extremly powerfull at level 1, its scaling isn't that good. You can go 4/4 if your team doesn't need that much mana.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 14:21:38
April 06 2012 14:19 GMT
#6889
I get aura quickly because I get flamed hard if I don't lol.
I think iv seen navi skip the aura though, so I cant argue. .5 global mana regen is pretty damn good though. Some heroes just fucking love having that aura around.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
April 06 2012 14:20 GMT
#6890
why do people call ironwood branches GG branches??? im so confused.

@konadora: bc having kills on cm do nothing good. she is still 1 shot material into mid game despite how much farm she has and agic will be nagated once BKB is on the field. There were a lot of cases where CM max QW in competitive(mainly bc team has mana boots and dont need that much mana) but personally i prefer maxing nova, 1 level frost bit and all aura. The reason is frost bite will simply break if the target takes dmg so lv it up for duration is lot more useless.

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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 14:22:00
April 06 2012 14:21 GMT
#6891
Frost bite won't break when the target takes damages...

And they are called gg branches cause of the item description http://www.playdota.com/items/ironwood-branch
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 14:22:48
April 06 2012 14:22 GMT
#6892
Also there is no need to go strictly 4 in nova, 1 in bite and max aura, you can stay at 2 points in aura and just go for max bite then if it is the better option, its quite situational really.
WriterXiao8~~
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 14:27:48
April 06 2012 14:25 GMT
#6893
On April 06 2012 23:21 Yoshi- wrote:
Frost bite won't break when the target takes damages...

And they are called gg branches cause of the item description http://www.playdota.com/items/ironwood-branch

The name "gg branch" predates the caption.

EDIT: And yes, CM builds are 100% dependent on lineups and your role.
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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
April 06 2012 14:27 GMT
#6894
Not like it would matter at all.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 14:35:06
April 06 2012 14:31 GMT
#6895
On April 06 2012 23:27 Yoshi- wrote:
Not like it would matter at all.

He asked why they're called "gg branches". Obviously it can't be because of the caption if people were calling them gg branches before the caption existed.

IIRC the reasoning was something like "if you see someone with them on the other team, you should gg because they know what they're doing" (this was back in the early days of DotA when everyone sucked).

On April 06 2012 23:20 NB wrote:
@konadora: bc having kills on cm do nothing good. she is still 1 shot material into mid game despite how much farm she has and agic will be nagated once BKB is on the field. There were a lot of cases where CM max QW in competitive(mainly bc team has mana boots and dont need that much mana) but personally i prefer maxing nova, 1 level frost bit and all aura. The reason is frost bite will simply break if the target takes dmg so lv it up for duration is lot more useless.

I don't agree with that. Just because she'll still be weak in teamfights later on doesn't mean that early gold can't have huge effect on the game.

If CM gets FB gold and can get Boots->Phases/Urn a few minutes earlier, she puts insane pressure on all the lanes. 1-2 kills on CM can turn into more gold than the kills themselves are worth on your carries because of how much farming space you create for them with your gank threat.
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Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
April 06 2012 14:39 GMT
#6896
SingSing and Moonmeander playing together.

Oh god.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 14:41:20
April 06 2012 14:40 GMT
#6897
On April 06 2012 23:21 Yoshi- wrote:
Frost bite won't break when the target takes damages...

And they are called gg branches cause of the item description http://www.playdota.com/items/ironwood-branch

They were actually called GG branches (Not ironwood branch)

Actually now I'm not certain of this and its probably incorrect but -.- They were gg branches way before I read that caption
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 06 2012 14:41 GMT
#6898
On April 06 2012 21:35 Unleashing wrote:
You guys are assuming that you'll be attacking a stationary target.
FYI, attack speed does very little for practical DPS early and mid-game, it might boost theoretical DPS, but in practice you'll be auto attacking -> running -> auto attacking -> running -> auto attacking -> running since very few times will you be standing still just wacking on someone unless your team has heavy CC.

And the two of you might disagree, but phase is the most common pick-up, and is what is seen in 90% of the cases on competitive spectre games.

And using a 6.67 game as an example is a pretty bad example, that is 7 versions ago, plenty of things have changed.


I was looking at the games at the International, it's hard to find several games with Spectre more recent than that and it has a nice website to quickly check the endgame items.

5 times Spectre had treads
1 time Spectre had phase (Kuroky in GG.net vs Nevo)
1 time Spectre had BoT (That ridiculous 90min iG vs EHOME opening game, not sure what kind of boots they first bought, not even the replay is avaible.

It happened a while ago, but you I don't see how it affects wether Spectre gets Phase or Treads that much.

About the CM discussion, I don't get how maxing a disable means you are trying to get kills for yourself. You obviously are not the best player in the team to get the kill, but it's not like you are stealing it, if you got it because of the 70 dps of frostbite you probally just got lucky. Plus, more money for you may mean better support power and more money for your whole team, it's not like items on CM are useless.

Toadily
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States837 Posts
April 06 2012 14:48 GMT
#6899
gg branches because they're so good, basically saying it's an overpowered item for its cost.. now only if we can get infinite item slots..
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
April 06 2012 14:54 GMT
#6900
On April 06 2012 23:39 Candadar wrote:
SingSing and Moonmeander playing together.

Oh god.

Moon is awfully quiet, don't think he's used to SingSings brand of crazy.
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