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On June 29 2013 16:04 NB wrote:
For some reason i cant win vs QoP as OD 1v1 mid. What do you do? put yourself under to dodge the spell or imprison qop to get damage? Plus QoP could always cancel the cast animation mid way... I dont know, maybe im just playing it wrong :-/
Everytime you imprison her she loses damage and mana. The damage difference between you two should be massive (in the 40-50 range) so you should be way ahead in last hits and denys. If you aren't completely dominating in cs and denys you are playing it wrong in some way.
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On June 29 2013 15:49 MiX wrote:
The only two heroes that can do decent against OD mid are sylla bear and viper. Pretty much everything else gets stomped. The problem with OD is he scales terribly late game so it's not always the best idea to pick him if he doesn't fit into your lineup.
Can he trade hits with a huskar? Never played the matchup...
Hmmm... how about a soul ring bane? Aggressive weaver that goes on you at lvl2?
Heroes that don't really care about last hitting war, and more about forcing you out of lane very early. I dunno, just brainstorming. Rarely meet the hero in my pubbing experience.
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OD is pretty easy to gank mid, i think he's a hero you really want to rotate on a lot
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OD beats almost anyone mid by pressing W. Agi/str heroes have no mana and int have no dmg to last hit.
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United States47024 Posts
On June 29 2013 15:49 MiX wrote:
The only two heroes that can do decent against OD mid are sylla bear and viper. Pretty much everything else gets stomped. The problem with OD is he scales terribly late game so it's not always the best idea to pick him if he doesn't fit into your lineup.
Broodmother wins if she gets to Soul Ring before she runs out of mana.
Once you have Soul Ring, having no base mana stops mattering because the +150 mana from activating Soul Ring is flat mana and is enough to power Spawn Spiderlings. OD has no AoE spells so he can't deal with Spiderlings once you get it ranked up enough.
Enchantress and Bat don't win longer 1v1s, but they both have strong level 1-2 timings that they can abuse to get ahead enough (Untouchable's -attack speed wins level 1/2 heads up fights harder than Astral's intelligence steal, even though Enchantress is an intel hero).
On June 29 2013 16:30 hideo wrote:
Hmmm... how about a soul ring bane? Aggressive weaver that goes on you at lvl2?
Bane is kind of funny because if he gets Enfeeble, you both are lasthitting with like 30 damage level 1. It comes down to who is better at lasthitting with shit damage.
Weaver you just need to make sure you hit level 2 at the same time or earlier. He can't just haphazardly go on you at 2 because your level 1/2 base stats are actually higher than his, so if you fight it out with him, he won't necessarily win even with Geminate. OD has 5 base armor, and Weaver only has 1.
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I do think huskar is pretty good against OD though. You can just run up and toss spears and I don't think OD can trade 1v1 against that.
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OD does pure damage to huskar though, unless huskar has bkb.
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On June 29 2013 13:04 Dreamer.T wrote:
All this talk has made me wanna play OD so bad. Always knew he was a beast mid, but from this debate I respect the hero even more now.
I think after playing the hero a certain amount you inevitably start to daydream about pulling off a perfect sheep-eblade-banish-ult->refresher->sheep-eblade-banish-ult combo on the entire enemy team in the space of like 2 seconds. *_*
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'liquid used to have strategies, now they just pick treant'
shots fired
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On June 29 2013 16:04 NB wrote:
For some reason i cant win vs QoP as OD 1v1 mid. What do you do? put yourself under to dodge the spell or imprison qop to get damage? Plus QoP could always cancel the cast animation mid way... I dont know, maybe im just playing it wrong :-/
you get tranquills boots and suddenly you have infinite mana and infinite life
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That's not what I would call 'reverse engineered the shit out of' anything.
They made a couple of accounts and found out that if you get reported in two separate games by 2 different people in 48 hours you get muted.
That hardly explains how the system works and it doesn't seem like they have all that much data from 'real accounts' to even make that conclusion.
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u people need to try lothars orchid OD, its the shit
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Do you guys max Astral or Essense first? You start with Astral, of course.
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Depends on how lucky i've been with essence procs entirely.
If i've gotten one or two lucky procs early on i might go for a quick level 3 astral over level 3 essence.
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On June 29 2013 17:08 FinestHour wrote:
'liquid used to have strategies, now they just pick treant'
shots fired
Who said that?
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I wonder when broodmother will have her icons updated.
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I just hate to play against a decent OD with any int hero -_- You can't really kill him even though he made some mistakes or even when you got a nice rune, you can go for an all in aggression at lvl3-5 (depends on the hero) but then he got tranq boots so all you can do is facepalm.
Astral range is just crazy.
Other than the mentioned bear, BS, brood, veno, viper, I think a WR with sick positioning can contest with OD, or a Mirana with randomed gold (boosting her stats/starting damage), or WL against a very aggressive OD (bonds+word plus the help from the creeps), or a DS with quick soulring (kinda depends on the decision/reaction from the OD), or just pick DK so both of you can facepalm to each other lol or some resilient Nyx player i guess (suffering until lvl6 and some luck on the OD making mistake like hitting creep near your tower, you still own him anyway after laning phase).
But honestly any hero can play against OD in pub, as soon as your team fully aware that X hero is going to lose OD and come gank, like if you didnt help your Storm against an OD....
I wanna see how would Pitlord do against him though, never seen the new aura in action on mid.
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On June 29 2013 17:08 FinestHour wrote:
'liquid used to have strategies, now they just pick treant'
shots fired
It's kinda true tho -_-
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did valve say anything about the mute system?
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