EPTand even more, whether or not twitch could PROVE who was doing viewer boosting, if that is what is happening.
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
and even more, whether or not twitch could PROVE who was doing viewer boosting, if that is what is happening. | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On June 22 2013 14:29 FinestHour wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/g9T9Wdx.jpg) dreamhack viewer graph blue = LoL purple = dota teal = sc2 LoL between games is about equal to peak SC2/DotA hmm, graph looks familiar... l0l | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
this is our lead LoL writer i think. | ||
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ReignSupreme.
Australia4123 Posts
No but really wasn't there something suss around the first LCS finals and twitch viewer list? Was there ever a conclusion for that? | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On June 22 2013 15:53 PrinceXizor wrote: I mean if LoL fans aren't doubly as likely to idle overnight in a channel as fans of other games, then riot/someone would appear to be boosting viewer count, and with how payment is based on ad views, i wonder if this is against twitch TOS at minimum or maybe US law. Though I wonder even if Riots official LCS stream were to break twitch TOS whether twitch would shut them down, given how much business riot gives twitch. and even more, whether or not twitch could PROVE who was doing viewer boosting, if that is what is happening. I highly doubt riot needs stream money and needs to artificially boost it. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 22 2013 16:24 Itsmedudeman wrote: I highly doubt riot needs stream money and needs to artificially boost it. i don't think they'd do it directly for twitch money. but they would do it (if they felt it was legal) in order to maintain a #1 game status by a large enough margin that Riot can play hardball when needed. publicity and public perception are things riot has done shady things in the past to try to control as they want. but the audience that LoL attracts could be twice as likely to idle in a stream overnight compared to other games. seems weird but, its possible. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On June 22 2013 16:25 PrinceXizor wrote: i don't think they'd do it directly for twitch money. but they would do it (if they felt it was legal) in order to maintain a #1 game status by a large enough margin that Riot can play hardball when needed. But I don't see how boosting "idle viewer" count does anything to help that. The only thing that matters to most people is the peak viewers. I mean there's shady shit, but then there's just pointless and conspiracy theories. Afaik their stream is turned off during the down time. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 22 2013 16:28 Itsmedudeman wrote: But I don't see how boosting "idle viewer" count does anything to help that. The only thing that matters to most people is the peak viewers. If 25000 extra viewers are there 24/7 it boosts peak viewers. it essentially would raise the "0" line up to 25000 instead of 0. I'd be illogical to think that riot would have bots watching their between day coverage, but if its always, its always. besides the graphs have near identical falloff post game as other games, so thats not indicative of thousands of users logging in post game. On June 22 2013 16:28 Itsmedudeman wrote: Afaik their stream is turned off during the down time. its not. its just music on loop and a little countdown and a screen that says "next up: *whateverisupnext*" | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
ya had to share with these scumbags for the glory of teamliquid | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
it's not like riot's stream is like OGN's stream and shows previously recorded games during off hours sometimes, and certainly the graph doesn't appear to support that either. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 22 2013 16:34 TheYango wrote: The 3rd possibility is that DreamhackLoL did restreams during off-hours while the other streams didn't (I don't remember if this was the case). If this was the case you'd expect the graph to mimic the peak hours during off hours while restreams. while it looks completely different, and nearly identical to the graphs of the other games off hours. and even if it didn't mimic the peak hours shapes, you'd expect it to look significantly different from other games off hours, when it looks nearly identical. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On June 22 2013 16:37 PrinceXizor wrote: If this was the case you'd expect the graph to mimic the peak hours during off hours while restreams. while it looks completely different, and nearly identical to the graphs of the other games off hours. and even if it didn't mimic the peak hours shapes, you'd expect it to look significantly different from other games off hours, when it looks nearly identical. If it's restreamed, the viewers are most likely not English speakers, so there're not gonna a lot of people watching it like peak hours. You kind of underestimate the local streaming culture. There're a lot of local websites that will link the twitchtv stream to their pages, and everytime somebody access the website, the stream will most likely start and count it as a viewer. I mean, pages like LegendsBR.com having twitchtv right on the front page, and pages like op.gg/stream list a bunch of LoL streams from twitchtv and afreeca, so everytime somebody access the website, it's normal that the stream viewcount is active. I personally know some of my country's websites that also designs to have twitchtv on frontpage and stuffs. Is that Riot fault? I doubt so. It's the effect that will happen when you are too big and everybody wants a piece of the pie. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 22 2013 16:49 canikizu wrote: If it's restreamed, the viewers are most likely not English speakers, so there're not gonna a lot of people watching it like peak hours. You kind of underestimate the local streaming culture. There're a lot of local websites that will link the twitchtv stream to their pages, and everytime somebody access the website, the stream will most likely start and count it as a viewer. I mean, pages like LegendsBR.com having twitchtv right on the front page, and pages like op.gg/stream list a bunch of LoL streams from twitchtv and afreeca, so everytime somebody access the website, it's normal that the stream viewcount is active. I personally know some of my country's websites that also designs to have twitchtv on frontpage and stuffs. Is that Riot fault? I doubt so. It's the effect that will happen when you are too big and everybody wants a piece of the pie. Like i said if there was something inherently different with the stream or streaming culture of League of legends, you would expect the graph to look fundamentally different during non peak hours than dota 2/sc2 during non peak hours. the graph of LoL looks like the X axis shifted upward roughly 20k-25k units NOT fundamentally different in its shape. The explanations for that are a larger base of people (AKA people are inherently more likely to idle if they watch league than other games, or an artificial boost of some kind). but yeah the first one is the simpler explanation and i'd have to do quite abit of research to ever come to the conclusion of the second option, and even then i'd have to have an audit or riot and all their publicity firms in order to prove/disprove that they were involved in such a thing. so TL;DR that data look weird, but dunno why, and can't say why without vastly more data. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On June 22 2013 04:01 Yoshi- wrote: And by people I mean me. So be warned That was easy Thanks Erasme | ||
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