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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On March 30 2013 12:30 TheYango wrote: This was actually discussed in the commentary for G-League. N3komata said that after a lot of deliberating and playing the matchup, the consensus among Chinese players is that at mid level, where both players make a lot of mistakes, Puck has the advantage. But at high level, if the number of mistakes are very few, QoP has the advantage. What? No, that's wrong. You have solo-killing and gank-assist ability against SF at all levels. Only if you get lax and let him get souls he shouldn't does he catch back up. Otherwise if you control the lane well and abuse your solo kill threat, you can crush SF out of the game. SF just punishes you if you stop playing the lane extremely tight, but that's true of SF vs anyone. Was very curious to see how Dendi's SF would turn out against the mouz Puck. So SF got outlast hitted early (8 to 4), eventually Chen helped him. But SF died twice to ganks. But however, even by then, SF had so many souls that puck couldn't even 1v1 him with his ult. And SF ends up being one of the last hit leaders, 6-10 minutes in. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
puck never gets hit by a single shadow strike and outrades qop every time she goes in | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On June 21 2013 07:05 FinestHour wrote: how does qop beat puck if the mistakes are few puck never gets hit by a single shadow strike and outrades qop every time she goes in if it's just a 1v1 mid type thing I think QoP could just out CS/deny to the point she gets way more moneys. If it's a real game it's hard to say if puck plays perfect QoP shouldn't be able to kill and if QoP plays perfect she should never be over aggressive to be killed by puck. I think in both scenarios with perfect play QoP should out CS/Deny. Real game too tough to judge in a vacuum though because of ganks/zapports etc. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 21 2013 07:05 FinestHour wrote: how does qop beat puck if the mistakes are few puck never gets hit by a single shadow strike and outrades qop every time she goes in Puck outtrading QoP is also reliant on her committing or making a mistake (either throwing a spell into an easy Phase Shift or walking into an Orb). Both sides punish the other for committing/making mistakes, but on pure lasthit fundamentals, QoP will win because of how much better her animation/projectile speed are. On June 21 2013 06:51 igotmyown wrote: Was very curious to see how Dendi's SF would turn out against the mouz Puck. So SF got outlast hitted early (8 to 4), eventually Chen helped him. But SF died twice to ganks. But however, even by then, SF had so many souls that puck couldn't even 1v1 him with his ult. And SF ends up being one of the last hit leaders, 6-10 minutes in. Haven't seen the game yet, would like a VOD link. 8 to 4 lasthits is already better than expected for an SF on the first 2-3 waves, honestly. And if Puck can't just 100 to 0 SF solo after 2 kills, then something happened that you're not mentioning. EDIT: nm Puck got pooled too | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On June 21 2013 07:16 TheYango wrote: Puck outtrading QoP is also reliant on her committing or making a mistake (either throwing a spell into an easy Phase Shift or walking into an Orb). Both sides punish the other for committing/making mistakes, but on pure lasthit fundamentals, QoP will win because of how much better her animation/projectile speed are. Haven't seen the game yet, would like a VOD link. 8 to 4 lasthits is already better than expected for an SF on the first 2-3 waves, honestly. And if Puck can't just 100 to 0 SF solo after 2 kills, then something happened that you're not mentioning. EDIT: nm Puck got pooled too It was Bone7, not Fata though. That makes a diference. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Everything else past this point is a foregone conclusion from the fact that SF has 11/1 creeps at 2:45. The first gank didn't even help Puck because he didn't get the kill, the XP was split 4 ways, SF already had his Bottle, and he still had more souls than he should even counting for the 6 he lost on death. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
If you look at most of the better mid players currently, like f.e s4, if he's in a disadvantaged match-up he will almost always get a drive-by courtesy of Akke or someone to weigh it in his favor. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 21 2013 07:39 teapoted wrote: The theoretical 'who wins mid' isn't exactly always accurate when talking about outcomes in pro games. If you look at most of the better mid players currently, like f.e s4, if he's in a disadvantaged match-up he will almost always get a drive-by courtesy of Akke or someone to weigh it in his favor. It's just funny that he mentions Puck not being able to 1v1 SF "later" when everything that was done to lose the lane happened in the first 2 minutes. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On June 21 2013 07:40 Iplaythings wrote: Weaver tree is the new kotl PL/wisp CK as far as I can tell? I'm seeing that combo so often after DH Pretty much. Except weaver tree is hilariously awesome to watch, as opposed to kotl pl. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On June 21 2013 07:46 cecek wrote: Pretty much. Except weaver tree is hilariously awesome to watch, as opposed to kotl pl. counter pick with strygwr | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On June 21 2013 08:03 Erasme wrote: WHos strygwr ? Is it Slark ? Cuz slark owns tree Bloodseeker | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On June 21 2013 08:03 Erasme wrote: WHos strygwr ? Is it Slark ? Cuz slark owns tree wow what a n00b, go play LoL champs. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
On June 21 2013 08:03 Erasme wrote: WHos strygwr ? Is it Slark ? Cuz slark owns tree i hope you are trolling...if not then smh | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On June 21 2013 08:18 cecek wrote: Does the new bloodseeker silence remove living armor? If it does, it might be a legitimate counterpick. How do you lane him, tho? Can he handle mid? I don't think its a good idea, because he will just forfeit all runes and generally not have a big impact on the game for a mid hero, I think. I guess you could run him as a "support" on the safe lane and just pull jungle with him. Also, pray they don't agresive trilane, because if they do, you're fucked. it does remove LA. | ||
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RoyGBiv_13
United States1275 Posts
go back to lol with your mangix and strygwr moba champions. + Show Spoiler + I'm not good at this whole trolling thing... Need more practice | ||
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