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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
June 17 2013 01:10 GMT
#62221
On June 17 2013 09:59 TheYango wrote:
Yes, but it still affects how smoothly the hero handles. Backswing issues were a part of why Batrider felt clunkier in DotA 2 than DotA 1 for a long time.

it is much more annoying with batrider than ES because of the nature of the hero. with fissure you only need to do it once and you're done
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
734pot
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia294 Posts
June 17 2013 01:57 GMT
#62222
On June 17 2013 07:16 ImpromptuGangbang wrote:
It's just me or hard carries have become more viable now?


I've definitely seen a lot more spectre pick ups recently, though not really played as farm heavy as she used to be.

Perhaps more hard carry drafts could be attributed to naix being less powerful in this version, it gives you a lot less options for an aggressive trilane, especially before the metagame adjusts to this. Of course naix is still viable in an aggressive trilane, but he does have less power.

Hard carry pick ups are maybe more attractive when the metagame is a bit uncertain as it is now in the new version. If you pick up a void or AM you know how you have to play the game out.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
June 17 2013 02:05 GMT
#62223
Honestly I think most of it has to do with how strong Phase/Drums/+1 builds are in the midgame. You can pretty much go Phase or Treads plus Drums plus one other smallish item - maybe an Armlet, Shadow Blade or Yasha - and be really set to go if you get it up quickly enough. Isn't that basically the common theme with PA, Naix, Luna and others? Phase, Drums, maybe a PMS, maybe an Aquila, a little bit of extra damage and survivability and then gogo 5-man Doto.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
June 17 2013 02:27 GMT
#62224
some refer carries that farm up a few items and go fight, compared to one that farms up a big farming item then goes to farm more with that
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
June 17 2013 02:51 GMT
#62225
Just won a 4v5 behind the power of Treant Protector and some slippery heroes. I personally find Treant really fun to play as it allows for a lot of aggressive options and some great opportunities to bait, but if you dont play that way then you really just sit in the jungle and press E, and that's no fun.

Also, Spirit Breaker is so popular lately. Guess even people in my moderately shitty matchmaking tier check the patch notes too. Tons of CMs popping up in games too.

I have a Lich question too. Should you build mek as your first item, and then follow up with another medium item like drums, or should you just get an aghs after your mek? I know it's game dependent, but assuming it's a relatively close game and the opponents are splitting vs your ult a little bit.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 17 2013 02:52 GMT
#62226
Agha is pretty mediocre on Lich. I'd honestly only get it if you were fed out of your mind, and got solo XP/gold.

It's pretty much out of the question for a normal support Lich because you don't get ult ranks fast/early enough.
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Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
June 17 2013 03:07 GMT
#62227
On June 17 2013 09:51 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 06:05 Nevuk wrote:
On June 17 2013 05:53 rabidch wrote:
On June 17 2013 05:37 Nevuk wrote:
The backswing fixes on Earthshaker and range buff... he's so crazy/fun to play right now. Honestly I think he's a little over the top.

turn rate, not backswing.

No, they fixed fissure's backswing in the most recent patch that was loaded with fixes - it no longer has one.

http://www.dota2.com/news/updates/10867/
- Fixed Backswing behavior with Rupture, Viscous Nasal Goo, Fissure, Decay and Earthshock

you can cancel backswing though


isn't it the followthrough that you cancel? backswing is prior to the hit?
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-17 03:11:27
June 17 2013 03:08 GMT
#62228
On June 17 2013 12:07 Doraemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 09:51 rabidch wrote:
On June 17 2013 06:05 Nevuk wrote:
On June 17 2013 05:53 rabidch wrote:
On June 17 2013 05:37 Nevuk wrote:
The backswing fixes on Earthshaker and range buff... he's so crazy/fun to play right now. Honestly I think he's a little over the top.

turn rate, not backswing.

No, they fixed fissure's backswing in the most recent patch that was loaded with fixes - it no longer has one.

http://www.dota2.com/news/updates/10867/
- Fixed Backswing behavior with Rupture, Viscous Nasal Goo, Fissure, Decay and Earthshock

you can cancel backswing though


isn't it the followthrough that you cancel? backswing is prior to the hit?

No, backswing is the followthrough. Cast point, cast time, cast animation, etc. is prior to the hit.
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-17 03:49:45
June 17 2013 03:48 GMT
#62229
[image loading] Can anyone translate or give the gist of what this comic is about please?

I think it's about veno carrying and/or being OP
lazyitachi
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
1043 Posts
June 17 2013 03:56 GMT
#62230
Attack point = before attack damage goes out
Attack backswing = aesthetic uselessness

Crystal maiden confirmed best champion for no backswing. Kappa
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
June 17 2013 03:59 GMT
#62231
On June 17 2013 12:48 Sprouter wrote:
[image loading] Can anyone translate or give the gist of what this comic is about please?

I think it's about veno carrying and/or being OP


it's a very very very concise guide to playing veno.

basically says spam wards in your lane, in other peoples' lanes, use ult in fights, and that gale and poison sting aren't useless.
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 17 2013 04:01 GMT
#62232
On June 17 2013 12:56 lazyitachi wrote:
Attack point = before attack damage goes out
Attack backswing = aesthetic uselessness

Crystal maiden confirmed best champion for no backswing. Kappa

Ezalor and Huskar are actually tied with her with the almighty 2.4 backswing.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 17 2013 05:39 GMT
#62233
Pretty much all the backswings above like 1s have been reduced to that much. I think Icefrog realized that at the point where backswings are so absurdly long that you would never wait that long to cancel them there stops being a point to making them longer. They'd only serve to punish new players that don't know about animation canceling without adding any real gameplay.
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Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
June 17 2013 05:49 GMT
#62234
CM and KOTL are the same hero though
In Mushi we trust
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-17 06:27:26
June 17 2013 06:03 GMT
#62235
[image loading]
after 2 years, SF is getting a remake
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
June 17 2013 06:04 GMT
#62236
alright im gonna spam download ti3 replays for courier effect, how many games do i need to watch for maximum glow sexiness on my courier
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lazyitachi
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
1043 Posts
June 17 2013 06:11 GMT
#62237
On June 17 2013 13:01 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 12:56 lazyitachi wrote:
Attack point = before attack damage goes out
Attack backswing = aesthetic uselessness

Crystal maiden confirmed best champion for no backswing. Kappa

Ezalor and Huskar are actually tied with her with the almighty 2.4 backswing.



CM ATTACK 0 backswing =.=



On June 17 2013 15:03 NB wrote:
[image loading]
after 2 years, SF is getting a remake



??????
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-17 07:56:59
June 17 2013 07:31 GMT
#62238
yes...slardar model shall be the next on list!!!!
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
June 17 2013 07:59 GMT
#62239
Hey guys I'm just here to promote teapoted's signature

"once you Goblak" is funny as fuck

he's swedish and a dick but if this isn't the standard way to cheer on Quantic by next week I'll be raising hell.

Oh also I just moved to DC last week and I'll gladly buy any nerd a drink if they'll introduce me to the scene around here :D
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-17 08:24:14
June 17 2013 08:22 GMT
#62240
On June 17 2013 15:03 NB wrote:
[image loading]
after 2 years, SF is getting a remake


YES PLEASE YES.

I'm still annoyed that Furion default textures are super low quality though.
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