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I feel like mek, pipe are more important against warlock than diffusal. Isn't the biggest deal with warlock the nuke combo on his ult with fatal bonds? And then the potential for the rest of his team to destroy everyone who is bonded.
My favorite combination with Warlock is OD. Fatal bonds and sanity's eclipse results in such ridiculous damage output.
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here's one thing I'm curious about.
Let's say you've got 5 units bonded together.
You deal 1000 damage evenly to all 5 units. 20% of this from each spills to all the others, thus each individual takes an additional 800 damage.
Does that 800 damage then also get affected by fatal bonds? In other words, does it keep cascading-an additional 640 damage, then 512, then 410...etc.?
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On June 11 2013 16:11 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Demonic Purge against the golem feels a bit... wasteful.
maybe if you really had no other purge carriers
especially since it doesn't even kill the golem, medusa ult barely does. diffusal does, but then someone spent a lot of money to kill 8-16 golems post stun when you can summon 10-40 in a game.
On June 11 2013 16:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
I feel like mek, pipe are more important against warlock than diffusal. Isn't the biggest deal with warlock the nuke combo on his ult with fatal bonds? And then the potential for the rest of his team to destroy everyone who is bonded.
My favorite combination with Warlock is OD. Fatal bonds and sanity's eclipse results in such ridiculous damage output.
edit:
here's one thing I'm curious about.
Let's say you've got 5 units bonded together.
You deal 1000 damage evenly to all 5 units. 20% of this from each spills to all the others, thus each individual takes an additional 800 damage.
Does that 800 damage then also get affected by fatal bonds? In other words, does it keep cascading-an additional 640 damage, then 512, then 410...etc.?
I like venomancer and warlock. poison nova is just. good. with fatal bonds. 140 damage per second to everyone (that becomes fatal because of warlock) for 15 seconds. and its difficult to fail nova post rock and when veno force staffs in. You can essentially read the combo as :no support lives.
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On June 11 2013 16:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
You deal 1000 damage evenly to all 5 units. 20% of this from each spills to all the others, thus each individual takes an additional 800 damage.
Does that 800 damage then also get affected by fatal bonds? In other words, does it keep cascading-an additional 640 damage, then 512, then 410...etc.?
i doubt it does because otherwise warlock would do way to much damage
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On June 11 2013 16:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
I feel like mek, pipe are more important against warlock than diffusal. Isn't the biggest deal with warlock the nuke combo on his ult with fatal bonds? And then the potential for the rest of his team to destroy everyone who is bonded.
My favorite combination with Warlock is OD. Fatal bonds and sanity's eclipse results in such ridiculous damage output.
edit:
here's one thing I'm curious about.
Let's say you've got 5 units bonded together.
You deal 1000 damage evenly to all 5 units. 20% of this from each spills to all the others, thus each individual takes an additional 800 damage.
Does that 800 damage then also get affected by fatal bonds? In other words, does it keep cascading-an additional 640 damage, then 512, then 410...etc.?
It counts all damage except fatal bond damage IIRC. Somewhat like Soul Assumption, counts all source of damage from hero & roshan, except for the damage of soul assumption itself.
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On June 11 2013 16:01 trifecta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 15:20 Belisarius wrote:On June 11 2013 14:57 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 11 2013 12:10 RuskiPanda wrote:
I don't know what you guys are on about. Best pubstomp support is warlock lol, rock too imba. Just as good mid too-arguably more than rubick unless the enemy team has some really nice stuff to steal. No arguments here. That shit is just a midgame wrecking ball nightmare. To be honest, I have no idea what to about warlock in a pub. Not the slightest clue. If someone has a diffusal blade... goodbye rock
The actual golem is just a bonus, though. Even if you purge it straightaway, you're still bonded and you still got initiated on from a million miles away in a ridiculous aoe. Congrats, you got rid of the golem. Now deal with the team that's already devouring your face.
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On June 11 2013 17:03 Belisarius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 16:01 trifecta wrote:On June 11 2013 15:20 Belisarius wrote:On June 11 2013 14:57 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 11 2013 12:10 RuskiPanda wrote:
I don't know what you guys are on about. Best pubstomp support is warlock lol, rock too imba. Just as good mid too-arguably more than rubick unless the enemy team has some really nice stuff to steal. No arguments here. That shit is just a midgame wrecking ball nightmare. To be honest, I have no idea what to about warlock in a pub. Not the slightest clue. If someone has a diffusal blade... goodbye rock The actual golem is just a bonus, though. Even if you purge it straightaway, you're still bonded and you still got initiated on from a million miles away in a ridiculous aoe. Congrats, you got rid of the golem. Now deal with the team that's already devouring your face.
yep its not really true that purges or diffusal blades are good vs warlock. you have to spend 2600 gold on an item you barely need, and if you are a diffusal carrier, having to save charges for warlock golems already can prevent a kill or two. and then if you end up against the monster that is aghs refresher warlock you have to spend half the max charges every 160 seconds. no other purges actually KILL the golem, except medusa after 3 seconds of facing her.
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Question guys. Is it possible to watch tournament replays for free after a period of time?
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Don't think so, only the TIs are free at the moment. I guess the only point is to watch from player perspective? Or for the smaller tourneys.
Otherwise I think for most there are VoDs on Youtube.
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Yeah, figures. I wanted to increase the view count for a courier given to me by a friend.
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On June 11 2013 17:14 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 17:03 Belisarius wrote:On June 11 2013 16:01 trifecta wrote:On June 11 2013 15:20 Belisarius wrote:On June 11 2013 14:57 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 11 2013 12:10 RuskiPanda wrote:
I don't know what you guys are on about. Best pubstomp support is warlock lol, rock too imba. Just as good mid too-arguably more than rubick unless the enemy team has some really nice stuff to steal. No arguments here. That shit is just a midgame wrecking ball nightmare. To be honest, I have no idea what to about warlock in a pub. Not the slightest clue. If someone has a diffusal blade... goodbye rock The actual golem is just a bonus, though. Even if you purge it straightaway, you're still bonded and you still got initiated on from a million miles away in a ridiculous aoe. Congrats, you got rid of the golem. Now deal with the team that's already devouring your face. yep its not really true that purges or diffusal blades are good vs warlock. you have to spend 2600 gold on an item you barely need, and if you are a diffusal carrier, having to save charges for warlock golems already can prevent a kill or two. and then if you end up against the monster that is aghs refresher warlock you have to spend half the max charges every 160 seconds. no other purges actually KILL the golem, except medusa after 3 seconds of facing her.
Notice the "if" statement. As in, if you have an illusion/agility carry that usually builds diffusal, abuse it. Otherwise abuse the cool down/Hero squishiness/dependency on clumping, team fight, 5 man dota/Or any combination thereof.
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On June 11 2013 17:43 cheeseosaur wrote:
Question guys. Is it possible to watch tournament replays for free after a period of time?
there will be game compatibility issue due to dota2 is constantly being updated plus dota1 patch. Moreover, VODs are always free, why bother? Each tournament now aday has 3-4 streams in different languages, you could go as far as mixing the point of view of different casters into your audio file. Finally i think you can find tickets leftover via trading :-/
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Game compatibilty issues shouldn't really happen, at least no in the same way as in wc3
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On June 11 2013 18:35 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 17:43 cheeseosaur wrote:
Question guys. Is it possible to watch tournament replays for free after a period of time? there will be game compatibility issue due to dota2 is constantly being updated plus dota1 patch. Moreover, VODs are always free, why bother? Each tournament now aday has 3-4 streams in different languages, you could go as far as mixing the point of view of different casters into your audio file. Finally i think you can find tickets leftover via trading :-/
I seriously doubt this. All the replays I've saved still work fine, and those are old... hell, even a huge patch like the latest one is no problem, you can still watch the western/eastern qualifier replays just fine.
The replay system knows the state of the game when it was saved, so it works out.
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On June 11 2013 17:14 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 17:03 Belisarius wrote:On June 11 2013 16:01 trifecta wrote:On June 11 2013 15:20 Belisarius wrote:On June 11 2013 14:57 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 11 2013 12:10 RuskiPanda wrote:
I don't know what you guys are on about. Best pubstomp support is warlock lol, rock too imba. Just as good mid too-arguably more than rubick unless the enemy team has some really nice stuff to steal. No arguments here. That shit is just a midgame wrecking ball nightmare. To be honest, I have no idea what to about warlock in a pub. Not the slightest clue. If someone has a diffusal blade... goodbye rock The actual golem is just a bonus, though. Even if you purge it straightaway, you're still bonded and you still got initiated on from a million miles away in a ridiculous aoe. Congrats, you got rid of the golem. Now deal with the team that's already devouring your face. yep its not really true that purges or diffusal blades are good vs warlock. you have to spend 2600 gold on an item you barely need, and if you are a diffusal carrier, having to save charges for warlock golems already can prevent a kill or two. and then if you end up against the monster that is aghs refresher warlock you have to spend half the max charges every 160 seconds. no other purges actually KILL the golem, except medusa after 3 seconds of facing her.
Does Shadow Demon's ult no longer kill Warlock's golems? Just asking.
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On June 11 2013 19:04 Unattended Cake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 17:14 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 11 2013 17:03 Belisarius wrote:On June 11 2013 16:01 trifecta wrote:On June 11 2013 15:20 Belisarius wrote:On June 11 2013 14:57 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 11 2013 12:10 RuskiPanda wrote:
I don't know what you guys are on about. Best pubstomp support is warlock lol, rock too imba. Just as good mid too-arguably more than rubick unless the enemy team has some really nice stuff to steal. No arguments here. That shit is just a midgame wrecking ball nightmare. To be honest, I have no idea what to about warlock in a pub. Not the slightest clue. If someone has a diffusal blade... goodbye rock The actual golem is just a bonus, though. Even if you purge it straightaway, you're still bonded and you still got initiated on from a million miles away in a ridiculous aoe. Congrats, you got rid of the golem. Now deal with the team that's already devouring your face. yep its not really true that purges or diffusal blades are good vs warlock. you have to spend 2600 gold on an item you barely need, and if you are a diffusal carrier, having to save charges for warlock golems already can prevent a kill or two. and then if you end up against the monster that is aghs refresher warlock you have to spend half the max charges every 160 seconds. no other purges actually KILL the golem, except medusa after 3 seconds of facing her. Does Shadow Demon's ult no longer kill Warlock's golems? Just asking.
it has always been a 0 bonus damage to summoned units/illusions purge
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On June 11 2013 19:06 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 19:04 Unattended Cake wrote:On June 11 2013 17:14 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 11 2013 17:03 Belisarius wrote:On June 11 2013 16:01 trifecta wrote:On June 11 2013 15:20 Belisarius wrote:On June 11 2013 14:57 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 11 2013 12:10 RuskiPanda wrote:
I don't know what you guys are on about. Best pubstomp support is warlock lol, rock too imba. Just as good mid too-arguably more than rubick unless the enemy team has some really nice stuff to steal. No arguments here. That shit is just a midgame wrecking ball nightmare. To be honest, I have no idea what to about warlock in a pub. Not the slightest clue. If someone has a diffusal blade... goodbye rock The actual golem is just a bonus, though. Even if you purge it straightaway, you're still bonded and you still got initiated on from a million miles away in a ridiculous aoe. Congrats, you got rid of the golem. Now deal with the team that's already devouring your face. yep its not really true that purges or diffusal blades are good vs warlock. you have to spend 2600 gold on an item you barely need, and if you are a diffusal carrier, having to save charges for warlock golems already can prevent a kill or two. and then if you end up against the monster that is aghs refresher warlock you have to spend half the max charges every 160 seconds. no other purges actually KILL the golem, except medusa after 3 seconds of facing her. Does Shadow Demon's ult no longer kill Warlock's golems? Just asking. it has always been a 0 bonus damage to summoned units/illusions purge
that damage is SICK
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So i have been watching a bit of pros kunka lately. However, i wonder why people want rank 2 torrent if they are not maxing torrent over 2 points Xmark anyway? Why dont go for something like 1-2-2-1 at level 6 rather than the popular 2-3-0-1 into 2-4-2-1 later? is this just some sort of newb mistake?
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On June 11 2013 19:33 NB wrote:
So i have been watching a bit of pros kunka lately. However, i wonder why people want rank 2 torrent if they are not maxing torrent over 2 points Xmark anyway? Why dont go for something like 1-2-2-1 at level 6 rather than the popular 2-3-0-1 into 2-4-2-1 later? is this just some sort of newb mistake?
doubles the slow time from rank 1 to 2.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Early on in lane you're using the torrent to just harass, so you don't care about X, because you're not getting a kill with it, anyway. That's my logic behind it, anyway.
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kunkka's skill build is pretty flexible
it's mostly because tidebringer is so good, especially in lane, and x isn't that useful before it hits lv2
so if you want to max tidebringer first it's obviously gonna be 2401 -> 2421
earlier x is pretty strong in trilanes or if you have constant roaming, and in that case tidebringer can be put off til later
usually something like 2020 -> 2421 even in that case tho
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