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Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
June 10 2013 00:21 GMT
#61121
On June 10 2013 08:43 FinestHour wrote:
rq as in rage quit or reque



He dropped, internet too stronk.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
June 10 2013 00:50 GMT
#61122
clearly had to dodge cuz he scared of gheizen the flame of italy
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ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
June 10 2013 00:56 GMT
#61123
What's up with all the DKs mid in pro games, I've never seen that work out. They always get slaughtered by superior mids like Puck.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 10 2013 01:01 GMT
#61124
On June 10 2013 09:56 ChrisXIV wrote:
What's up with all the DKs mid in pro games, I've never seen that work out. They always get slaughtered by superior mids like Puck.

Tanky semi carry with ability to heavily pressure enemy tower and counter push when your team cant get lane nuking supports.
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ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
June 10 2013 01:04 GMT
#61125
On June 10 2013 10:01 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 09:56 ChrisXIV wrote:
What's up with all the DKs mid in pro games, I've never seen that work out. They always get slaughtered by superior mids like Puck.

Tanky semi carry with ability to heavily pressure enemy tower and counter push when your team cant get lane nuking supports.

I know what the idea behind it is, but again - that never happens. All I ever see , except in maybe 1 out of 10 games, is an underfarmed DK who desperately tries to get a single big item up before the game is over.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 01:05:23
June 10 2013 01:05 GMT
#61126
god damnit ... my internet dropped, that sucks

our lineup was so clowny too lol

edit: internet just got back up T_T
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 10 2013 01:06 GMT
#61127
On June 10 2013 10:04 ChrisXIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 10:01 NB wrote:
On June 10 2013 09:56 ChrisXIV wrote:
What's up with all the DKs mid in pro games, I've never seen that work out. They always get slaughtered by superior mids like Puck.

Tanky semi carry with ability to heavily pressure enemy tower and counter push when your team cant get lane nuking supports.

I know what the idea behind it is, but again - that never happens. All I ever see , except in maybe 1 out of 10 games, is an underfarmed DK who desperately tries to get a single big item up before the game is over.

You haven't watched enough games then. I feel some teams are trying it a little bit too hard this patch, but there are plenty of games where it works out just fine. It's nothing new at all, it has been a decent strat for a long time.
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
June 10 2013 01:10 GMT
#61128
On June 10 2013 10:06 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 10:04 ChrisXIV wrote:
On June 10 2013 10:01 NB wrote:
On June 10 2013 09:56 ChrisXIV wrote:
What's up with all the DKs mid in pro games, I've never seen that work out. They always get slaughtered by superior mids like Puck.

Tanky semi carry with ability to heavily pressure enemy tower and counter push when your team cant get lane nuking supports.

I know what the idea behind it is, but again - that never happens. All I ever see , except in maybe 1 out of 10 games, is an underfarmed DK who desperately tries to get a single big item up before the game is over.

You haven't watched enough games then. I feel some teams are trying it a little bit too hard this patch, but there are plenty of games where it works out just fine. It's nothing new at all, it has been a decent strat for a long time.

I've watched a lot of games these past few days, saw DK vs Puck a lot, I don't think it was ever close. EG just lost their game vs Kaipi, their DK got wrecked vs TA.

I know that DK mid is not a new strat, but the popularity surged recently. No matter the matchup, a DK is sent mid to starve.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 10 2013 01:18 GMT
#61129
It's worse now because Bottle crowing is worse, but saying that a DK sent mid will starve no matter the match up is just silly. He doesn't win lanes, but he doesn't need to win lanes. He needs levels and some amount of farm, and he can get that just fine with flame breath spam and he ussually doesn't die.

I feel some teams are forcing it a bit too much, as he doesn't do that well against some of the most dominant mid heroes, but there were plenty of match ups he did fine. The patch is too new to say if the bottle crow really killed his viability. I saw games where he was one of the first picks and the other team just drafted an OD to shut him down, but that doesn't mean he is shut down no matter the matchup.
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 01:26:32
June 10 2013 01:25 GMT
#61130
On June 10 2013 10:18 SKC wrote:
It's worse now because Bottle crowing is worse, but saying that a DK sent mid will starve no matter the match up is just silly. He doesn't win lanes, but he doesn't need to win lanes. He needs levels and some amount of farm, and he can get that just fine with flame breath spam and he ussually doesn't die.

I feel some teams are forcing it a bit too much, as he doesn't do that well against some of the most dominant mid heroes, but there were plenty of match ups he did fine. The patch is too new to say if the bottle crow really killed his viability. I saw games where he was one of the first picks and the other team just drafted an OD to shut him down, but that doesn't mean he is shut down no matter the matchup.

But he doesn't get the matchups he would do fine in. I can look at the draft, see a *insert dominant mid hero* and deduce that sending DK vs that is a bad idea, but it still happens and the game is immediately boring to me - no way DK is winning that. So 1 lane is lost, because while levels help him, 20 minute drums+boots does not allow him to do anything mid-game unless the team is winning without him.

I don't know why I dislike this particular choice so much, it's just...frustrating to watch?
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 10 2013 01:26 GMT
#61131
Most of the DK mids I've seen from respectable mid players tend to end up with something like 4-5 creeps a minute. If you're farming a DK at 4-5 creeps a minute, you can honestly be OK with that even if the Puck he's against is getting 6ish.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
June 10 2013 01:28 GMT
#61132
On June 10 2013 10:26 TheYango wrote:
Most of the DK mids I've seen from respectable mid players tend to end up with something like 4-5 creeps a minute. If you're farming a DK at 4-5 creeps a minute, you can honestly be OK with that even if the Puck he's against is getting 6ish.

Pretty much - if you hit pushing time with bracer, bottle, treads, wand, you're not doing bad.

There's a pretty lengthy explanation why its okay to run DK mid - but you don't run him to win his lane. You run it to have a dualcore lineup, essentially.

You shouldn't run it against TA, however.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
June 10 2013 01:29 GMT
#61133
sn0 man your void friend ok?
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 10 2013 01:32 GMT
#61134
And honestly there were even bigger problems in that EG vs Kaipi draft than DK vs TA mid. It's not really a game you can take much from.
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
June 10 2013 01:52 GMT
#61135
I don't see enough Radiant mid DKs stack the easy camp to farm it later at lvl 5 with fire breath. But that goes with any mid hero really.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 10 2013 02:02 GMT
#61136
holy fuck im terrified ~_~ http://i.imgur.com/BSsG7s3.jpg
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
June 10 2013 02:09 GMT
#61137
On June 10 2013 11:02 NB wrote:
holy fuck im terrified ~_~ http://i.imgur.com/BSsG7s3.jpg


trippy
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 10 2013 02:18 GMT
#61138
rofl: people start using map drawing to flame to avoid chat tracking ban from Valve.... so high level =))
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
lazyitachi
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
1043 Posts
June 10 2013 02:27 GMT
#61139
wut? is that how it works?
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 02:30:47
June 10 2013 02:30 GMT
#61140
i guess they could trace offensive language using chat log scan... but today i have match with multiple people who chat using map instead of text... mostly flame
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