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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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hooahah
3752 Posts
On June 08 2013 06:36 Sn0_Man wrote: I mean, maybe as spirit breaker if you somehow convince him to manfight you AWAY from creeps, you win that fight (17% chance to bash vs 17% chance to spin. RNG battles!). Otherwise though you basically have to pull the creep wave away from him and just trade farm if you can. this sounds like what I should have done, pull the creeps away. What happened was that my lane partner stunned him, I went in since I thought "sweet kill potential", stunned as well, his partner hit me with a spell and I realized (not fast enough) that I can't manfight Axe. From that kill he got tranq boots and the lane got really, really painful from that point, he zoned me out so hard. good to know I was fighting an uphill battle from the getgo I guess. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
The king of low level manfights is still Ursa imo. Not sure how well he would handle the lane though. If you are talking about a melee in a 2v2 lane it really changes a lot as well, it depends a lot more on both your partners. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
thinking about it.. i think sven might be the worst melee vs axe laning possible. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On June 07 2013 16:12 Unleashing wrote: You're comparing the wrong things. Range indicator is similar to meepo and invoker macros. Sure everyone has access to them, doesn't make them good for the game though. It was removed with good reason. How do you equate a range cue to a macro that clicks buttons for you? I agree meepo/invoker/armlet macros are bad for the game. I'd argue they even break it. One-button invis, and toggling armlet through every dot in the game is a wee bit silly. That's why I don't use them, despite them giving you a huge advantage (especially armlet). However, just because macros and range cues are both done through console, does not make then even remotely similar in nature. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Both allow you to perform a gameplay task to a level of precision that is not possible through normal human gameplay, but the armlet case comes up way less often than XP range does. | ||
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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
On June 08 2013 06:26 hooahah wrote: so, just wondering - is laning against Axe as a melee hero fucking impossible? excluding any kind of help from supports for both sides. One on one, melee, is it possible to beat Axe? I was Sven if it matters. I lost the lane - not terribly but I had terrible farm for a hard carry. To add to this the obvious champ is dark seer but something like a dragon knight can work really well or a pa because when u hit 6 u can start trading blows and u can stiffling dagger out of the dot. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On June 08 2013 07:02 TheYango wrote: Being able to precisely judge XP range to a level of accuracy not possible through just eyeballing it is arguably more gamebreaking than the armlet toggle macro. Both allow you to perform a gameplay task to a level of precision that is not possible through normal human gameplay, but the armlet case comes up way less often than XP range does. Why shouldn't it be possible to do that? What would it break? One of the other dotas (hon, I think) added a little dot above creeps for when they were inside your xp range. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
![[image loading]](http://media.steampowered.com/apps/570/icons/econ/courier/smeevil_bird/smeevil_bird_large.5c5b1cbb005b392b4e60d30d2c6903e5ea8893df.png){kind=icon} Smeevil Mammoth: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://media.steampowered.com/apps/570/icons/econ/courier/smeevil_mammoth/smeevil_mammoth_large.09b5e8553d57732484b47beb9d9cabf83e6dfcf5.png){kind=icon} Smeevil Crab: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://media.steampowered.com/apps/570/icons/econ/courier/smeevil_crab/smeevil_crab_large.750c2a4e437e87ef7e753e243f865e818a4e8e9c.png){kind=icon} There's also some sort of a Smeevil Treats. Most likely going to be something like the greevil eggs + essences. Go smeviling, I guess. :D | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 08 2013 07:23 JeeJee wrote: Why shouldn't it be possible to do that? What would it break? One of the other dotas (hon, I think) added a little dot above creeps for when they were inside your xp range. it lets you scrape away with the bare minimum with 0 game knowledge and still gain xp from a range that wouldn't be possible without. when you manage to get a fast 6 in an 1v3 or 1v2 scenerio its a serious display of skill in dota, with range finder its significantly easier and removes a lot of that whole thing. Something similar would be like in starcraft if you highlighted an enemy army, and it told you how many game seconds it was away from your base. letting you get in exactly as many things as you can before the attack arrives, when it takes away that whole feel of the game as a skill. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On June 08 2013 07:23 JeeJee wrote: Why shouldn't it be possible to do that? What would it break? One of the other dotas (hon, I think) added a little dot above creeps for when they were inside your xp range. Makes it too easy for offlaners and/or anyone else having a hard time in lane to just sit at the edge of xp range and be safe. Instead of maybe do a mistake, come too close and get killed off. Being able to see exact XP range can only stale the gameplay. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
time to blow more money | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 08 2013 07:29 FinestHour wrote: treasure of incandescent wax out time to blow more money Not gonna lie. i was about to comment about how you screwed up your haiku, until i figured out wtf you were talking about. xD | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 08 2013 07:23 JeeJee wrote: Why shouldn't it be possible to do that? What would it break? One of the other dotas (hon, I think) added a little dot above creeps for when they were inside your xp range. What would being able to cleanly toggle armlet break? It's the exact same thing. You are performing a basic gameplay action to a level of precision that is not possible through normal human ability. What a human is capable of will vary based on the player's ability, sure, but being able to judge XP range precisely 100% of the time is something a human is simply not capable of, and the gameplay is not balanced around a human being able to do that, just the same as it's not balanced around armlet toggle being perfect every time. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
@yango: imo, armlet macro breaks every dot. You can't die to any dot if you have an armlet, period. Rot, ion shell, you name it. All I'd like is just more info given to the player about core mechanics of the game, that's all. I think the XP range increase made offlaning much easier than range removal made it harder. That's not even part of my argument at all. I just want more info on the most fundamental mechanics. I guess I'll stop beating the dead horse now lol | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
PA needs level 3 to lasthit reliably with 100 damage stifling dagger. There are a few melee heroes that could beat/gain an advantage on Axe in a 1v1: Juggernaut, Timbersaw, Bristleback, maybe even Slark, Undying, Naix. It's much more doable going 2v2 against an Axe lane, though. Double melee lanes and laning Axe are both not that common, so chances are you won't be in many double melee lanes against Axe. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 08 2013 07:35 JeeJee wrote: @yango: imo, armlet macro breaks every dot. You can't die to any dot if you have an armlet, period. Except a human is capable of armlet toggling against DoTs reasonably up to the point where 2 DoTs + normal incoming damage or 3 DoTs are there. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Also I don't think it's coincidence that the range for denied xp on creeps is 1200 now, concurrently done with removal of range indicator. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On June 08 2013 07:37 TheYango wrote: Except a human is capable of armlet toggling against DoTs reasonably up to the point where 2 DoTs + normal incoming damage or 3 DoTs are there. I'd love to see someone manually toggle against ion shell  e: maybe they can and I'm just super awful. That's a very likely possibility | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
I like mammoth and crab. :D | ||
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